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Offline JPaul

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 11:25:23 AM »
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Stated positively, what Catholics believe in regards to BOD as it pertains to the EENS dogma is as follows:

1.  EENS applies to all outside the Church.

2.  Supernatural Faith is absolutely necessary for salvation to be possible.

3.  Inculpable ignorance by itself does not save anyone.

4.  Non-members will be damned if they do not have a supernatural faith and perfect charity.
1. But most people can somehow be a part of the Church without knowing it.

2. You can have that too, without the Church and the Sacraments.

3. No, but that usually brings one to one of the other alternative mechanisms that do.

4. True, but they can have that without knowing that they do by being "good".

That is stated positively for what modern liberal Catholics believe............
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 11:33:16 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 11, 2017, 09:37:29 AM
It is quite easy to understand. 
again:  Calls him a liar, in public, unsubstantiated, which is…?
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 11:35:16 AM »
Quote from: JPaul on August 11, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
1. But most people can somehow be a part of the Church without knowing it.

2. You can have that too, without the Church and the Sacraments.

3. No, but that usually brings one to one of the other alternative mechanisms that do.

4. True, but they can have that without knowing that they do by being "good".

That is stated positively for what modern liberal Catholics believe............
Show me a quote where I say "Most people can somehow be a part of the Church without knowing it."
You obviously do not know how one can obtain supernatural Faith and perfect Charity apart from Baptism.

Yes baptism of blood and baptism of desire cleanses the soul of original sin but I have not heard it called an "alternative mechanism" but I guess you could call it that if you like but the preferable description would be "sanctifying grace" or "supernatural faith and perfect charity".

What you stated is ca ca nonsense.  The modern teaching came to us in the 1900's from Father Feeney.  He was corrected by the Catholic Church for that.  
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 11:44:16 AM »
So, wonder why, council of Trent(??) for example,  the SACRAMENT of Baptism is  called THE (singular) gateway(c.f. "Gates of Hell") to THE (singular) spiritual LIFE?

No, this isn't on topic."Sauce for the goose…" Too bad I can't copy/paste… (hint hi nt)
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Offline ryanaugustine

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 11:45:21 AM »
LoT, if you fancy yourself a teacher then I, the uninstructed, must tell you that you are wrong.  You are not easily understood.  You post endless quotes and do not plug them into any context.  You do not explain anything in plain english.  You don't weave your quotes into any sort of whole cloth of understanding.

I think, rather, that you post these quotes to try desperately to convince yourself that you are right and that Pax Vobis, for instance, cannnot possibly be so.

But I don't want to malign you.  I do think, though, that you should avoid trying to instruct the ignorant until you yourself are clear about what you believe, why, and can present it properly.
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