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Offline Stubborn

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Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2017, 08:31:20 AM »
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    • I posted what he taught and what you clearly reject, I even told you where you can find it.  You will have to answer for spreading false teaching, rejecting the doctrine of Divine Providence, EENS and etc. ad nausem and misrepresenting sainted doctors of the Church.
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #46 on: August 16, 2017, 11:08:01 AM »
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    • More false teaching according to Stubborn:

    Rufinus, Church Father (4th Century): A Commentary on the Apostles' Creed: "It is written that when the side of Jesus was pierced "He shed thereout blood and water." This has a mystical meaning. For Himself had said, "Out of His belly shall flow rivers of living water." But He shed forth blood also, of which the Jєωs sought that it might be upon themselves and upon their children. He shed forth water, therefore, which might wash believers; He shed forth blood also which might condemn unbelievers. Yet it might be understood also as prefiguring the twofold grace of baptism, one that which is given by the baptism of water, the other that which is sought through martyrdom in the outpouring of blood, for both are called baptism." 
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #47 on: August 16, 2017, 11:40:12 AM »
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    • ^^^^More posting of behind the times news.

    You must be entirely ignorant of the fact that 12 centuries after your above article, Trent infallibly defined, binding us all forever the infallible canon decreeing that the sacrament is necessary for salvation, and a century after that, St. Alphonsus echoed Trent's teachings that only heretics say that no sacrament is necessary.



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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #48 on: August 16, 2017, 11:45:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 16, 2017, 11:40:12 AM
    ^^^^More posting of behind the times news.

    You must be entirely ignorant of the fact that 12 centuries after your above article, Trent infallibly defined, binding us all forever the infallible canon decreeing that the sacrament is necessary for salvation, and a century after that, St. Alphonsus echoed Trent's teachings that only heretics say that no sacrament is necessary.
    Saint Alphonsus based his teaching on BOD being de fide upon Trent.  The brainwashing you have undergone has made you sufficiently blind.  
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #49 on: August 16, 2017, 12:00:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 15, 2017, 06:57:09 AM
    Getting a feeneyite to accept Catholic teaching is like getting Satan to be good.  It doesn't work. 
    Good. You can shut up now. Mission scrubbed.
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #50 on: August 16, 2017, 12:02:03 PM »
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    • St. Fulgentius (6th Century): Enchiridion Patristicuм 2269: "From the time when Our Saviour said 'Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God,' without the sacrament of baptism, apart from those who pour forth their blood for Christ in the Catholic Church without baptism, no one can receive the kingdom of Heaven, nor eternal life."
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #51 on: August 16, 2017, 01:39:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 16, 2017, 11:45:08 AM
    Saint Alphonsus based his teaching on BOD being de fide upon Trent.  The brainwashing you have undergone has made you sufficiently blind.  
    Unlike you, I was born, raised and have remained in the True Catholic Church my whole life, so my "brainwashing" is of the True Catholic faith.

    You, OTOH, being born and raised in the anti-church, have been brainwashed with anti-church thinking, faith, sentiments and actions. That's the way it is.

    Can we at least agree on that?
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #52 on: August 16, 2017, 01:42:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 16, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
    Unlike you, I was born, raised and have remained in the True Catholic Church my whole life, so my "brainwashing" is of the True Catholic faith.

    You, OTOH, being born and raised in the anti-church, have been brainwashed with anti-church thinking, faith, sentiments and actions. That's the way it is.

    Can we at least agree on that?
    Each time you are refuted you switch to another topic.  Why not have the humility to accept the truth that BOD does not contradict EENS but compliments it.  
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #53 on: August 16, 2017, 02:11:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 16, 2017, 01:42:12 PM
    Each time you are refuted you switch to another topic.  Why not have the humility to accept the truth that BOD does not contradict EENS but compliments it.  
    A BOD, which is not a sacrament, it is "justification by faith (or sincerity or desire or who knows?)" alone", has been condemned by the Trent. St. Alphonsus teaches only heretics say that a BOD suffices for justification.

    I have told you this over and over again - you reject the truth and by now, you must know you reject the truth, so it is painfully obvious that you gave yourself a deceptive moniker, you don't love the truth.
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #54 on: August 16, 2017, 02:14:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on August 16, 2017, 02:11:47 PM
    A BOD, which is not a sacrament, it is "justification by faith (or sincerity or desire or who knows?)" alone", has been condemned by the Trent. St. Alphonsus teaches only heretics say that a BOD suffices for justification.

    I have told you this over and over again - you reject the truth and by now, you must know you reject the truth, so it is painfully obvious that you gave yourself a deceptive moniker, you don't love the truth.
    I know it is not a sacrament but it has not been condemned by Saint Alphonsus.  He declared it de fide based upon Trent.  You are unable or unwilling to see that BOD does not contradict EENS but compliments it.
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #55 on: August 16, 2017, 03:00:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 16, 2017, 02:14:53 PM
    I know it is not a sacrament but it has not been condemned by Saint Alphonsus.  He declared it de fide based upon Trent.  You are unable or unwilling to see that BOD does not contradict EENS but compliments it.
    If you know it's not a sacrament, and you know Trent condemned anyone says that the sacraments of the new law are not necessary for salvation, then you know a BOD without the sacrament cannot save anyone because it is not a sacrament.

    Further, St. Alphonsus echoed Trent when he said that heretics say the sacraments are not necessary, then you know you are condemned by Trent for claiming a BOD saves without the sacrament and a heretic per St. Alphonsus for saying a person without the sacrament can still attain salvation via a BOD.

    Either way, Trent is the Church, St. Alphonsus is not the Church, he made a mistake, the Church did not, he demonstrated that he submitted to the judgement of the Church when he finally taught: "The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary, inasmuch as they hold that man is justified by faith alone". Faith alone" = a BOD.
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    Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
    « Reply #56 on: August 21, 2017, 12:25:59 PM »
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    • AGAIN.  If you allow yourself to accept Catholic teaching you accept that water baptism is not necessary with an intrinsic necessity.  God does not insist on the impossible.  It is a necessity of precept and a necessity of relative means.  This means apart from sacramental baptism or its replacements no one can be saved.  This infallible teaching is not so hard to grasp and must be accepted even if you cannot grasp it.
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