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Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2017, 07:42:16 AM »
No, you do not. You say that no sacrament is necessary, per St. Alphonsus, you are a heretic.  

"The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary, inasmuch as they hold that man is justified by faith alone, and that the sacraments only serve to excite and nourish this faith, which (as they say) can be equally excited and nourished by preaching.  But this is certainly false, and is condemned in the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth canons:  for as we know from the Scriptures, some of the sacraments are necessary (necessitate Medii) as a means without which salvation is impossible. Thus Baptism is necessary for all, Penance for them who have fallen into sin after Baptism, and the Eucharist is necessary for all at least in desire ( in voto)." - St. Alphonsus
You lie.

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Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2017, 07:59:17 AM »
You lie.
No, you are a heretic because, as St. Alphonsus says, "only the heretic says that no sacrament is necessary" - and Lord knows you have like 6900 posts proclaiming exactly that.


Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2017, 08:05:24 AM »
No, you are a heretic because, as St. Alphonsus says, "only the heretic says that no sacrament is necessary" - and Lord knows you have like 6900 posts proclaiming exactly that.

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St. Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church (18th century): Moral Theology, Book 6, Section II (About Baptism and Confirmation), Chapter 1 (On Baptism), page 310, no. 96: "Baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called "of wind" ["flaminis"] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind ["flamen"]. Now it is "de fide" that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, "de presbytero non baptizato" and of the Council of Trent, session 6, Chapter 4 where it is said that no one can be saved 'without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.'" (Note: Unbelievers can see the original book in Latin here. Turn to page 310 in the book (or page 157 of the PDF file).

 Moral Theology, Bk. 6, nn. 95-97: "Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood, i.e. death, suffered for the faith or for some other Christian virtue. Now this Baptism is comparable to true baptism because, like true Baptism, it remits both guilt and punishment as it were ex opere operato… Hence martyrdom avails also for infants seeing that the Church venerates the Holy Innocents as true martyrs. That is why Suarez rightly teaches that the opposing view is at least temerarious."

On the Council of Trent, 1846, Pg. 128-129 (Duffy): "Who can deny that the act of perfect love of God, which is sufficient for justification, includes an implicit desire of Baptism, of Penance, and of the Eucharist. He who wishes the whole wishes the every part of that whole and all the means necessary for its attainment. In order to be justified without baptism, an infidel must love God above all things, and must have an universal will to observe all the divine precepts, among which the first is to receive baptism: and therefore in order to be justified it is necessary for him to have at least an implicit desire of that sacrament."
That is what Alphonsus says.  That is what you reject. That is why YOU are a heretic.

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Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2017, 08:07:28 AM »
That is what Alphonsus says.  That is what you reject. That is why YOU are a heretic.
Nope, I posted what St. Alphonsus taught. "Only the heretic says that no sacrament is necessary".

His teaching comes directly from: An Exposition and Defense of All the Points of Faith Discussed and Defined by the Sacred Council of Trent, Along With the Refutation of the Errors of the Pretended Reformers, Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Dublin, 1846.)

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2017, 08:17:37 AM »
I posted what he taught and what you clearly reject.  You will have to answer for spreading false teaching and misrepresenting sainted doctors of the Church.