Author Topic: We Believe What the Church Teaches No Matter What it Is (Read 16777 times)

Jehanne · « **Reply #30 on:** September 15, 2009, 10:55:54 AM »

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BOD is not an americanist thing. It is as old as 5th century.

Agreed. The modern heresy is that of implicit faith. No one taught that prior to Saint Pope Pius IX, who, let's face it, allowed the heresy to spread. He should have condemned it, but he did not. The Syllabus of Errors was a good attempt, but it was still weak. He should have defined it, once and for all.

Dont give CM any ideas, elsewise, Pius IX will enter the ever expanding list of anti-popes.....

I think that he was a good Pope. I am not a historian, but I do know that there was a lot going on in Italy at the time, and Pius IX ended-up on his knees (literally). I think that he wanted compromise and unity, so he made some concessions to the liberal theologians of his day and thought that he could erect a "theological wall" around their modernist ideas. However, what the modernists of our day quote is not from the Syllabus but from Quanto Conficiamur. His concession was, IMHO, the "hole in the dike" that allowed the waters of modernism (driven by atheistic materialism -- please reply to my other OP!!!) to flow into Catholicism.

Belloc · « **Reply #31 on:** September 15, 2009, 10:59:08 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
BOD is not an americanist thing. It is as old as 5th century.

Agreed. The modern heresy is that of implicit faith. No one taught that prior to Saint Pope Pius IX, who, let's face it, allowed the heresy to spread. He should have condemned it, but he did not. The Syllabus of Errors was a good attempt, but it was still weak. He should have defined it, once and for all.

Dont give CM any ideas, elsewise, Pius IX will enter the ever expanding list of anti-popes.....

I think that he was a good Pope. I am not a historian, but I do know that there was a lot going on in Italy at the time, and Pius IX ended-up on his knees (literally). I think that he wanted compromise and unity, so he made some concessions to the liberal theologians of his day and thought that he could erect a "theological wall" around their modernist ideas. However, what the modernists of our day quote is not from the Syllabus but from Quanto Conficiamur. His concession was, IMHO, the "hole in the dike" that allowed the waters of modernism (driven by atheistic materialism -- please reply to my other OP!!!) to flow into Catholicism.

That does it, that means we have had no Pope since Gregory XVI (he says LOL, tongue in cheeck :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh2:)

Leo XIII is his last few yrs it is said allowed the reigns to become a little slack too, his age and exhaustionl likley....it was up to fresher leaders like Piuz X to stirke hard....

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #32 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:00:06 AM »

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I'm not sure if Catholic Martyr has admitted that Father Feeney properly interpreted the Council of Trent as teaching that the mere desire for baptism can justify a man and therefore had to invent his teaching that a man who dies justified is not necessarily saved, definitely not saved if he was baptized by water. Can you respond again here?

I'm not all too surprised that you post all this text, only to ignore the responses. I answered that question on the previous page of this thread.

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Feeney was wrong. Trent teaches that a person cannot be justified without the laver of regeneration. Trent teaches that a person cannot be justified without the desire for the laver of regeneration.

Either one missing, no justification. No justification, no heaven. No heaven=hellfire.

Hello Catholic Martyr,

I cannot dilly daly too long on this site at work so I briefly skim through.

Do you admit that Father Feeney understood the Latin of Trent and understanding it well interprated correctly. You will say he interpreted it incorrectly but would you grant he understood Latin better than those who say we misinterpret Trent because of the Latin?

Jehanne · « **Reply #33 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:11:22 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
BOD is not an americanist thing. It is as old as 5th century.

Agreed. The modern heresy is that of implicit faith. No one taught that prior to Saint Pope Pius IX, who, let's face it, allowed the heresy to spread. He should have condemned it, but he did not. The Syllabus of Errors was a good attempt, but it was still weak. He should have defined it, once and for all.

Dont give CM any ideas, elsewise, Pius IX will enter the ever expanding list of anti-popes.....

I think that he was a good Pope. I am not a historian, but I do know that there was a lot going on in Italy at the time, and Pius IX ended-up on his knees (literally). I think that he wanted compromise and unity, so he made some concessions to the liberal theologians of his day and thought that he could erect a "theological wall" around their modernist ideas. However, what the modernists of our day quote is not from the Syllabus but from Quanto Conficiamur. His concession was, IMHO, the "hole in the dike" that allowed the waters of modernism (driven by atheistic materialism -- please reply to my other OP!!!) to flow into Catholicism.

That does it, that means we have had no Pope since Gregory XVI (he says LOL, tongue in cheeck :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh2:)

Leo XIII is his last few yrs it is said allowed the reigns to become a little slack too, his age and exhaustionl likley....it was up to fresher leaders like Piuz X to stirke hard....

That's not my position, although, I do not think that Pius IX's successors, who were all Popes, the true successors to Peter, agreed with his teaching on the invincibly ignorant.

Belloc · « **Reply #34 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:49:37 PM »

I was of course kidding about Pius IX, etc....one cannot be tortured for what does not know..may or may not keep one from Heaven....but not Hell which is punishment for willful sinners....