If people who believe in so-called "baptism of desire", restricted their belief to the above quotes from an older Baltimore Catechism, all these threads on EENS would not exist on CI.

Unfortunately 99% of believers in so-called baptism of desire, believe that any non-baptized person can be saved, that Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists, Jєωs, non-Catholics in every false religion, can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards. This thread is not about those non-Catholics who are validly baptized,   what this thread is about, that even traditionalist groups teach in their seminaries and to the faithful that non-Catholics in every false religion can be saved without being validly baptized, without desiring to be baptized, without desiring to be Catholics, without belief in Jesus Christ or the Holy Trinity, indeed, even despising all that is Catholic.

It is almost calumny to say that the modern trad groups especially the sedevacantist ones share the same ecclesiology as Vatican 2.  The Vatican 2 ecclesiology is much more catholic and orthodox then Sanborn and Fellay etc!

On page 74 of +ABL's book "Open Letter to Confused Catholics"., it reads:

"The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows amongst Protestants, Muslim, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this they become part of the Church".

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Furthermore, the salvific action of Jesus Christ, with and through his Spirit, extends beyond the visible boundaries of the Church to all humanity. Speaking of the paschal mystery, in which Christ even now associates the believer to himself in a living manner in the Spirit and gives him the hope of resurrection, the Council states: “All this holds true not only for Christians but also for all men of good will in whose hearts grace is active invisibly. For since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partners, in a way known to God, in the paschal mystery”.37

(37) Second Vatican Council, Pastoral Constitution Gaudium et spes, 22.

It is almost calumny to say that the modern trad groups especially the sedevacantist ones share the same ecclesiology as Vatican 2.  The Vatican 2 ecclesiology is much more catholic and orthodox then Sanborn and Fellay etc!  
I think much more people in the indult crowd actually believe in EENS than dogmatic sedevacantists.  
You will find many people who own Bread of Life or something else in the indult or serious Novus ordo households than in so called trad groups.  Just look at what happened with Michael Voris ---almost everyone on his channel supported his videos supporting the SBC.  

The modern trad group leaders are complete heretics on EENS, there is no other way to put it.  

I think it is.

Both the Novus Ordo and the traditional Catholic groups have an ecclesiology that ranks a number of men (even if the latter thinks that number is rather small) from all religions as being united to the Church.

Does anyone else recall listening to a sermon at: traditionalcatholicsermons.org/wordpress/

and having an example used of a illiterate Eastern "Orthodox" peasant in good faith / invincible ignorance?

2. Therefore, guided by the example of Our predecessors, We are grieved to hear reports from your dioceses which indicate that some of the people committed to your care freely encourage mixed marriages. Furthermore, they are promoting opinions contrary to the Catholic faith: namely, they dare to affirm that a Catholic may freely and legally contract marriage with a heterodox party, not only without asking for a dispensation (which must be obtained from the Apostolic See in each individual case), but also without agreeing to the necessary obligations, especially the duty to educate all the offspring in the Catholic religion. Indeed it has even come to the point that these same persons insist that mixed marriages ought to be approved when the heretical partner is a divorced person whose former spouse is still alive. To this end they issue serious threats of punishments in order to induce priests to announce mixed marriages in the churches and, afterwards, to defend the act by which these marriages were contracted or, at least, to grant the contracting parties what they call dimissory letters.

Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.

There was a heresy at one time that you had to be Catholic, otherwise you didn't go to Heaven. That's not what the Church teaches. All people are saved by the merits of Jesus, the grace in the Church, but they don't have to be Catholic. We hope they're all Catholic, but many people are of different religions, no religion, they don't know. Nobody has told them about Jesus, so they're going to be judged only by what they know, what they've been told, and the graces they have, you see.  You know what our dear Lord said: there are other people that we must save, and will enter the Kingdom.

St. Augustine and other great theologians applied St. John 10:16 to this very issue, emphasizing that Our Lord must bring the non-Catholics into the Church because they cannot be saved as they are.

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And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.

Notice how Our Lord speaks, indicating that it is He Himself who must bring these non-Catholics into the Church. The reason why the Church doesn't allow anyone to baptize himself with water is to teach us that we cannot merit the grace of joining the Church. We are to recognize that we are dependent on God to provide a minister for us. Even in cases of emergency, a person is not allowed to baptize himself; the Church would rather have a Jєω or a Muslim be the one who baptizes, provided he have the right intention, than permit a man to baptize himself.

It is a DOGMA of the faith that no man can merit the initial grace of justification. The apostles of "implicit baptism of desire" do not understand any of this. They write as if it is a matter of sheer effort for a non-Catholic to join the Church. It is very difficult, they say, because observing the natural law is hard for fallen man, but some can do it, and if they do observe it, then they will somehow baptize themselves implicitly, and become invisible members of the Church. The very reason God does not allow any man to baptize himself with water is to prevent this Pelagian nonsense.

Mother Angelica



At the video go to timestamp 48:20

Mother Angelica Live
ROAD TO EMMAUS

5/16/2000