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Author Topic: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB  (Read 11936 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 05:30:14 PM »

Of the traditionalist associations who express a belief in BOD, some believe only catechumens who have an explicit faith in the mysteries of the Trinity and the Incarnation can be saved by BOD ...

I know of none.  Vast majority of Traditional groups believe in the extended BoD whereby all manner of infidel can be saved.  I would take this narrow BoD position; it's the position of St. Thomas and other Doctors.  But, unlike yourself, I know of none who restrict BoD in this way.  Those groups you listed do not restrict BoD so narrowly ... apart from the Feeneyite groups, who generally do not accept BoD at all.  Besides that, we're talking about groups that one could find a Mass center for, and not some loose association like "Tradition in Action".  ICK would be the only group that one MIGHT find a Mass to attend, but I have never heard that they hold this position on BoD.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2018, 05:37:27 PM »
I don't know anything about Bishop Neal Webster nor his "new priest".

I know Bishop Webster very well for years ... long before he became a priest.  He's a good man, but I'm afraid that his orders are tainted by the questionable Duarte Costa line.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2018, 06:25:52 PM »
ICK is indult, founded in 1990 no doubt in response to the sspx.  There’s no way they don’t accept the Vatican’s anti-EENS V2 theology.    

Re: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 07:43:07 PM »
ICK is indult, founded in 1990 no doubt in response to the sspx.  There’s no way they don’t accept the Vatican’s anti-EENS V2 theology.    
There is a sermon on sensus fidelium from an ick priest (or FSSP but I don’t think it was) and he denies invincible ignorance and implicit bod.  He said for feeney was closer to the truth then most traditional priests.  

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 09:41:22 PM »
We're talking about the group, not a few individual priests.  SSPX is, as a group, supportive of BOD.  However, I've met some sspx priests who've told me they don't concern themselves with it, as they have more important things to do.  

The point is, all these groups have a "party line" they must somewhat adhere to, or at least they can't criticize the overall view.