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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
« Reply #165 on: June 12, 2018, 09:45:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on June 11, 2018, 08:03:55 PM
    Sure. I don't bother to be precise because I've already put several hours into this silly discussion. Again, which sede group are you a part of? Dolan/Sanborn and the CMRI hold to BOD(Dolan has said it's a mortal sin to deny it)

    I'm not part of any sede group, nor am I a sede.  I have my own nuanced position on the crisis most similar to those articulated by Father Ringrose and Father Chazal.  +Dolan follows Fr. Cekada's false line of reasoning.
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    Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
    « Reply #166 on: June 12, 2018, 10:05:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 12, 2018, 09:43:02 AM
    God is indeed not bound by His Sacraments ... and yet God has seen fit to bind US.  But, yes, it's a silly statement but it RINGS true, and so they use it (even though it doesn't apply).
    We may be in agreement without realizing it. So I'll try to clarify my statement as best I can. I say that He is bound to His sacraments because he is bound to His word. This is based on the attribute of His veracity; He cannot contradict Himself. 
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    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
    « Reply #167 on: June 12, 2018, 03:41:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Motorede on June 12, 2018, 10:05:08 AM
    I say that He is bound to His sacraments because he is bound to His word.

    Agreed.  Absolutely speaking He is obviously not bound and could have given salvation in some other way, but He willed to do it this way.
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    Re: Catholic dogma on salvation
    « Reply #168 on: June 12, 2018, 07:14:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 12, 2018, 03:41:03 PM
    He is obviously not bound and could have given salvation in some other way, but He willed to do it this way.
    and He does not need another way.

    "For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham". (Mat 3:9)
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