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Author Topic: To non-sedes: Do you believe schismatic SVs, who die as SVs, can be saved?  (Read 4010 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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When I said, "Maybe his memory was faulty." I should have said, "Maybe +Sanborn's memory was faulty." Does that clarify?
Ah, ok, thanks sir.

Sorry but every time this subject comes up, I relive those days a little. Because of those days prior him going sede and us leaving, I only have fond memories of the then Fr. Sanborn. He was my favorite priest for a very long time, even after we left. His pre-sede sermons were almost always very captivating, and it's with real sadness that I recall the memories of the cause of us, and many other families having to leave just as that chapel was beginning to grow. That little chapel was in a gymnasium, it started with probably 5 or 6 families and was up to maybe 25-30 families, then the split came, and bam, down to maybe 10 or so families.

That is what sedeism does, that's what it's good for, division.  



Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Sedevacantists.

Most of those names I never heard of. They came to nothing. That's what happens when you cut a branch off the main tree! Two of those names (Dolan, Cekada) I only know because of the huge scandal that broke there in 2009, discussed heavily on CathInfo at the time. Based on testimony from those who had the misfortune of living in Cincinnati, I learned ENOUGH about Dolan and Cekada to conclude they're no saints, they're no martyrs. It sounds like they live QUITE the comfortable life now. Cui bono?

Good riddance to bad rubbish! The SSPX was better off without them. It hurt at the time, but so does having a boil lanced, or having your inflamed appendix -- or impacted bowel movement -- removed.

Having read that letter, it made me question my support of the Resistance. It almost made me want to go back to the SSPX and beg forgiveness.

Fortunately, a quick perusal of the CCCC thread reminded me that it's different this time. I know that's a cliche, but it really is different this time! The SSPX is not just maintaining a "recognize and resist" position -- no, they're morphing into the FSSP which most SSPX faithful, seminarians, and priests did NOT sign up for. But also, the Resistance is not  sedevacantist just like Abp. Lefebvre wasn't sedevacantist. Just like the original group (SSPX) was not sedevacantist. The Nine were sedevacantist. EVERY LAST ONE of their "complaints" flow from their belief that the post-V2 popes are not popes.

And these traitors proceeded to sue the SSPX and got many of its properties. I have no sympathy for them. They're not humble martyrs for the truth. They're opportunistic, treacherous snakes in the grass, Brutus stabbers-in-the-back. They weren't after the truth. They were after SSPX real estate, and couldn't subordinate their proud wills to the leadership of Archbishop Lefebvre. They wanted to follow their own will only.
Sorry, but you are wrong, all nine did NOT hold the sedevacantist position at the time. Father Collins was absolutely not a “sedevacantist” at the time. Father’s memmory is excellent and I have discussed this with him many times. As a matter of fact, many years ago I got in an argument with a “non-sede” about this subject. I argued that all nine were in fact “sedevacantists” and that was the reason they left the SSPX! After asking Father Collins about it, he corrected me and in turn I apologized to the fellow with whom I had the argument.


The letter of the 9 and their "complaints" are basically like this, "there is no Church. No one has authority. Archbishop Lefebvre doesn't have authority over us, the subjects of his Priestly Order. We're going to do anything we like. Nobody's going to tell us what to do. We'll take your property if we want to. Everybody is going to listen to us. We are the final authority here."

Archbishop Lefebvre had said, "We had some Priests with us and they tried to lead us into Schism. They say, there is no Pope, no Cardinals, no Bishops, no Catholic Church. I don't say that. I don't accept that. That is Schism". So, it is wrong thinking to say there is no Hierarchy.

Restoration will come to Rome, that's the supernatural hope Archbishop Lefebvre always had and never lost sight of, trusting in the divine Promise. Read His Grace's words and that 1983 sermon, it is very clear, we are going to remain strictly Traditional, strictly Roman and strictly Catholic. God will raise up the Prelates and Shepherds who are necessary and our Traditional Catholic Bishops will work with them for Catholic Restoration. That's the firm faith and supernatural hope that we must always have, taught by Archbishop Lefebvre.

All of us, by prayer and sacrifice, by supporting and praying for our Traditional Bishops and Priests, as well as all Priests, Monks and Nuns generally, can play our part in the coming Restoration, and share in each other's prayers also. That is what we are all called to do.

God has always raised up Saints when the situation seemed most dire and it appeared as if human hope was lost. He will do so again.

Let us each strive to do our best to fulfill our duties of state to the utmost and attain that degree of sanctity we are called to. God will do all the rest.

Svism is not the solution to the crisis because it distracts and divides and even delays Church Restoration. It's time to move on from that.

The fact of the matter is that "The Nine" saw many of the issues with the SSPX well before "The Resistance".  It wasn't popular with the SSPX leadership then.  It isn't popular with the SSPX leadership now.


Criminals? Father Collins was NOT a sedevacantist.....I know it’s difficult for you to get, but let that sink in.
God Bless Father Collins and the rest of "The Nine" even if some say they amounted to nothing.