Author Topic: The weirdness of anti-Feeneyism (Read 17248 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2023, 04:39:54 AM »

Quote from: poenitens on July 08, 2023, 10:37:59 PM

Setting theological arguments aside, does anybody else find the opposition to Feeneyism* extremely weird?

What I find weird about it is that those who adhere to it are literally willing to break communion with zealous Catholics, call them heretics, deny them sacraments, etc. just to defend the illusion that some Amazonian Indian who's never heard the Holy Name of Jesus Christ can be saved. It's like despising a real-life friend for an imaginary one.

* I know that this term is loaded with bad connotations but I can't find one better to describe strict adherence to EENS while at the same time ruling out those who say they affirm it but end up denying it.

Good point.

I find it remarkable that BODers believe that man can be saved without God being involved at all since a BOD only works when God's providence is taken completely out of the scenario in order for a man to save himself, which is salvation by faith alone, which is a condemned proposition.

Beyond that, I wonder how much God is offended by lack of faith in His providence, which in addition to EENS is also a doctrine that a BOD denies.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2023, 05:28:00 AM »

Quote from: Durango77 on July 09, 2023, 07:42:24 PM

More loopholes and legalese to defend this priest and his position.

What a dummy. Of course, bad will has that effect on the intellect. I was addressing your claim that Father "sought" reconciliation with Paul VI. He did no such thing. It was the Archdiocese who reached out and sought to reconcile him, out of sympathy for his plight, and on one level probably realizing the injustice against Father Feeney. We weren't even talking about whether or not he was justly excommunicated, just your ignorant assertion that Father Feeney sought reconciliation.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2023, 05:30:06 AM »

Quote from: Durango77 on July 09, 2023, 07:53:31 PM

That's a quote from the Holy Office to Fr Feeney. It's much longer in it's entirety. But implicit desire, invincible ignorance, these are tough concepts for some people and they are definitely not a black and white concepts. Again my main point in responding here is to for the Feeney people, is stop calling everyone heretics, because BoD and BoB are legitimate, they are based on Church teachings and tradition.

Is there something wrong with your brain? This is the third time I have to repeat that most "Feeneyites" don't call those who believe in a properly-articulated Baptism of Desire heretics. You keep standing this strawman back up.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2023, 06:14:55 AM »

About Cardinal Pizzardo, the man who deprived Father Feeney of his canonical rights and excommunicated him:

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[Pizzardo] was known as an early patron and mentor of Giovanni Battista Montini, the future Pope Paul VI, who is said to have voted for Pizzardo at the 1963 papal conclave. Though they became more distant as Montini rose in power, Pope Paul's final trip away from his summer residence before his death in August 1978 was to a memorial Mass on the anniversary of Pizzardo's death.

poenitens · « **Reply #34 on:** July 10, 2023, 06:31:04 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on July 10, 2023, 04:39:54 AM

Beyond that, I wonder how much God is offended by lack of faith in His providence, which in addition to EENS is also a doctrine that a BOD denies.

Good point too. Definitely there is some naturalism in the "mixture"

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