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Offline poenitens

Re: The weirdness of anti-Feeneyism
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2023, 08:44:30 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 09, 2023, 08:04:48 AM
Father Feeney didn't "seek" anything.
I was always curious about this.

I think that it is impossible that Father Feeney did not see a problem with the post-conciliar church, the hierarchy and the new sacraments. He was a man with such a great catholic sense that when the US started fluoridizing water, he was concerned that it would invalidate the matter of baptism (I read that somewhere at The Point). From this, we can speculate that he would have had very grave concerns with the new mass, the new rites of holy orders and by extension with the hierarchy that promulgated them. Is there any account on what he thought about the council?

So I don't think that he was completely at ease with reconciling with the post-conciliar Church.
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Offline poenitens

Re: The weirdness of anti-Feeneyism
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2023, 09:08:29 AM »
Quote from: Durango77 on July 09, 2023, 02:15:01 AM
No one likes being called a heretic out of hand.
If by BOD you mean that catechumens who believe in the Trinity, the incarnation and all the Catholic Faith may be saved if they die without having received water baptism, that has not been condemned as heresy. I am inclined to think that it is an error but there is a reason why such great minds as St. Thomas', St. Robert Bellarmine's and St. Alphonsus' thought about it. And there is also a reason why many other great saints and doctors rejected it.

If by BOD you mean that protestants, muslims, jews, "righteous pagans" who never heard the Name of Jesus Christ, may be somehow joined to His Mystical Body and be saved, that's definitely heresy.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: The weirdness of anti-Feeneyism
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2023, 10:25:17 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 09, 2023, 08:04:48 AM
Father Feeney didn't "seek" anything.  It were various members of the hierarchy who were sympathetic to his plight who sent a representative to "reconcile" Father Feeney, and they only required of him that he recite the Athanasian Creed to consider him a Catholic, and of course Father Feeney willingly professed his belief in the Creed.


But if you’re a sedevacantist Feeneyite, then the Paul VI reconciliation was worthless (since he allegedly wasn’t a pope), and Feeney remains forever excommunicated by the preconciliar Holy Office, yes?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The weirdness of anti-Feeneyism
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2023, 11:01:02 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 09, 2023, 10:25:17 AM
But if you’re a sedevacantist Feeneyite, then the Paul VI reconciliation was worthless (since he allegedly wasn’t a pope), and Feeney remains forever excommunicated by the preconciliar Holy Office, yes?

Holy Office doesn't excommunicate people.  You're conflating SH with the excommunication, and perpetuating the notion that Father Feeney was excommunicated for doctrinal reasons.  But, apart from that, you believe that Wojtyla was Pope, so +Lefebvre, +Williamson, et all were excommunicated.  +Felly, +Tissier, and +Galaretta had theirs lifted, but +Williamson's was reinstated.  So, your point, Sean?  There are such things as unjust excommuncations, no?  And of course, that's beside the point.  My point was that Father Feeney did not "seek" reconciliation.  It was actually the Archdiocese that reached out to him.  And Father Feeney believed Montini was Pope, as far as I know.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: The weirdness of anti-Feeneyism
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2023, 11:05:01 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 09, 2023, 11:01:02 AM
Holy Office doesn't excommunicate people.  You're conflating SH with the excommunication, and perpetuating the notion that Father Feeney was excommunicated for doctrinal reasons.  But, apart from that, you believe that Wojtyla was Pope, so +Lefebvre, +Williamson, et all were excommunicated.  +Felly, +Tissier, and +Galaretta had theirs lifted, but +Williamson's was reinstated.  So, your point, Sean?  There are such things as unjust excommuncations, no?

...except that Feeney was excommunicated under a traditional one, while Lefebvre/Williamson/et al were excommunicated by modernist ones.
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