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Re: The three errors of the Feeneyites
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2017, 12:28:14 PM »
That it is not necessary to repeat the clause "re aut voto" is so much the more true since baptism of desire is an exception, a special case, not the normal one. One need not mention exceptions each time one speaks of a law. For instance, there are many definitions of the Church on original sin that do not mention the Immaculate Conception. This does not invalidate the Immaculate Conception! For instance Pope St. Zosimus wrote: "nullus omnino  —absolutely nobody" (Dz109a) was exempt of the guilt of original sin. Such a "definition" must be understood as the Church understands it, that is, in this particular case, not including the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the same way, it is sufficient that baptism of desire be explicitly taught by the Church, by the Council of Trent, in some place, but it is not necessary to expect it on every page of her teaching. Silence on an exception is not a negation of it. This principle is important to remember so as not to be deceived by a frequent technique of the Feeneyites. They accuмulate quotes on the general necessity of baptism as if these quotes were against baptism of desire. The very persons they quote hold explicitly the common teaching on baptism of desire! These quotes affirming the general necessity of baptism do not refer exclusively to baptism by water, nor do they exclude baptism of blood and/or of desire. They are to be understood "in the same sense and in the same words" as the Catholic Church has always understood them, which means to include baptism of blood and/or of desire along with that of water.

Re: The three errors of the Feeneyites
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2017, 12:34:40 PM »
No authoritative source has taught Pelagianism.
That really is the point that he will not acknowledge.


Re: The three errors of the Feeneyites
« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2017, 12:36:48 PM »
That really is the point that he will not acknowledge.
No authoritative source teaches any heresy.  

Re: The three errors of the Feeneyites
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2017, 08:47:26 PM »
Thanks for being fair.  That is a refreshing change.  Is their anything you asked me that I have not responded to.  You do not seem to be mean-spirited as the rest of the feeneyites.
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Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2017, 01:06:52 PM »

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Kinda like a pair of old slippers after a while. Of course if this were so sure, certain other conclusion hoppers would be vindicated as well.

Hey, I MUST be going gangbusters as well. "I'd like to thank the Academy…"


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Re: The three errors of the Feeneyites
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2017, 06:54:59 AM »
8a. When the docuмent classifies the Catholic Church as a means of salvation which is necessary only by divine institution and not by an intrinsic necessity, it likewise mentions two other realities which are also requisite for the attainment of salvation in this particular way. These are the sacraments of baptism and of penance. Both of these are necessary for salvation, and are necessary as means established by God for the attainment of this end. Fenton