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Offline Jehanne

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Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:39:25 AM »
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    Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
    « Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 09:59:47 AM »
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  • Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

    There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

    That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
    « Reply #2 on: September 04, 2014, 10:14:44 AM »
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    Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

    There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

    That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.


    Bingo!!!

    This is why Father Feeney cannot be regarded as being a formal heretic, BECAUSE, if there are folks in Paradise who lack the character of sacramental Baptism, such can ONLY be KNOWN to the One and Triune God.

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    Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
    « Reply #3 on: September 04, 2014, 12:51:14 PM »
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    Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

    There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

    That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.


    Please under stand that BOD is not an exception to EENS.  There is no exception to EENS.  If you could only make this distinction you would be on to something.  You need to understand what BOD teaches and what it does not teach and the same with EENS.  They do not contradict each other.  It would be good if you could read authoritative sources dispassionately on the issue.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #4 on: September 04, 2014, 01:16:34 PM »
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 04, 2014, 01:18:21 PM »
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  • Fallible teaching on BOD never says that a Jew can be saved as a Jew, a Muslim as a Muslim, a Hindu as an Hindu without explicitly converting to Catholicism which is what the pelagians BODers sedevacantists of CI believe in and promote. The ABL error of "Outside the Church there is no Salvation’… This does not mean that none among other religions may be saved. But none is saved by his erroneous and false religion"

    This is because it is infallibly defined that the Catholic Faith is the foundation of all justification.

    Quote from: Trent

    The instrumental cause of justification is the Sacrament of Baptism, which is the Sacrament of Faith, without such Faith no one has ever been justified....

    No one can be justified unless he faithfully and firmly accepts the Catholic doctrine of Justification.


    Quote from: Vienne

    Besides, only ONE Baptism which regenerates all who are baptized in Christ MUST be faithfully confessed by all, just as there is ONE GOD and ONE FAITH, which is celebrated in water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost.


    As said before, "they WANT to mislead and trap others into the topic of "Baptism of Desire" when it is "Faith of Desire", "Salvation by Justification Alone" and "Salvation by Implicit Desire" what they really want and need to believe. All of this in regards to the non-Catholics who have not even knowledge of the Faith of course, without fail".
     
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 03:26:03 PM »
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    Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

    There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

    That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.


    Please under stand that BOD is not an exception to EENS.  There is no exception to EENS.  If you could only make this distinction you would be on to something.  You need to understand what BOD teaches and what it does not teach and the same with EENS.  They do not contradict each other.  It would be good if you could read authoritative sources dispassionately on the issue.  


    Not an exception, lets look at the definition

    ex·cep·tion
    noun
    a person or thing that is excluded from a general statement or does not follow a rule.

    Lets think about:

    No Salvation Outside the Church
    Obviously a Hindu is not in the church
    So they are excluded from the general statement (EENS) and they don't follow the rule (being a member of the church)
    Unless you believe that everyone is a member of the church....it is an exception

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    Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
    « Reply #7 on: September 04, 2014, 09:24:55 PM »
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    Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

    There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

    That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.


    Please under stand that BOD is not an exception to EENS.  There is no exception to EENS.  If you could only make this distinction you would be on to something.  You need to understand what BOD teaches and what it does not teach and the same with EENS.  They do not contradict each other.  It would be good if you could read authoritative sources dispassionately on the issue.  


    Not an exception?  Well for some, it is definitely and alternative.