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Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2014, 01:18:21 PM »
Fallible teaching on BOD never says that a Jew can be saved as a Jew, a Muslim as a Muslim, a Hindu as an Hindu without explicitly converting to Catholicism which is what the pelagians BODers sedevacantists of CI believe in and promote. The ABL error of "Outside the Church there is no Salvation’… This does not mean that none among other religions may be saved. But none is saved by his erroneous and false religion"

This is because it is infallibly defined that the Catholic Faith is the foundation of all justification.

Quote from: Trent

The instrumental cause of justification is the Sacrament of Baptism, which is the Sacrament of Faith, without such Faith no one has ever been justified....

No one can be justified unless he faithfully and firmly accepts the Catholic doctrine of Justification.


Quote from: Vienne

Besides, only ONE Baptism which regenerates all who are baptized in Christ MUST be faithfully confessed by all, just as there is ONE GOD and ONE FAITH, which is celebrated in water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost.


As said before, "they WANT to mislead and trap others into the topic of "Baptism of Desire" when it is "Faith of Desire", "Salvation by Justification Alone" and "Salvation by Implicit Desire" what they really want and need to believe. All of this in regards to the non-Catholics who have not even knowledge of the Faith of course, without fail".
 

Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 03:26:03 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Cantarella
Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.


Please under stand that BOD is not an exception to EENS.  There is no exception to EENS.  If you could only make this distinction you would be on to something.  You need to understand what BOD teaches and what it does not teach and the same with EENS.  They do not contradict each other.  It would be good if you could read authoritative sources dispassionately on the issue.  


Not an exception, lets look at the definition

ex·cep·tion
noun
a person or thing that is excluded from a general statement or does not follow a rule.

Lets think about:

No Salvation Outside the Church
Obviously a Hindu is not in the church
So they are excluded from the general statement (EENS) and they don't follow the rule (being a member of the church)
Unless you believe that everyone is a member of the church....it is an exception


Baptism of Desire is never visible, ever!
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2014, 09:24:55 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Cantarella
Therefore it cannot be a known exception to Extra Ecclesial Nulla Salus, like the liberals and the enemies of the Church pretend; but only an hypothesis. Those saved by it, if they ever exist can only be known to God. .

There is only one divinely revealed Baptism and that of water and every soul must convert and formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

That much we know. That much has been revealed by God.


Please under stand that BOD is not an exception to EENS.  There is no exception to EENS.  If you could only make this distinction you would be on to something.  You need to understand what BOD teaches and what it does not teach and the same with EENS.  They do not contradict each other.  It would be good if you could read authoritative sources dispassionately on the issue.  


Not an exception?  Well for some, it is definitely and alternative.