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Offline Lover of Truth

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Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2017, 02:36:06 PM »
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  • Dear LOT, as a relative newbie on this forum, I find myself having to ask you, whose truth is it that you profess to love?
    Ultimate truth.  The TRUTH Himself.  Jesus Christ.  All truths.  I hate falsity and love truth.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #31 on: August 24, 2017, 02:41:18 PM »
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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #32 on: August 24, 2017, 02:43:31 PM »
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    The second sentence in the portion of the document translated at the beginning of this chapter brings out the fact that acts which would otherwise be most conducive to salvation are deprived of their effect if they are performed "outside" the bond of unity of the Catholic Church. It teaches that even the reception of the sacraments cannot be "profitable unto salvation," that is, cannot produce their effects in the life of divine grace for those who are outside of the unity of the ecclesiastical body. Furthermore it asserts that no work which of its very nature ought to be salutary can be profitable in the line of salvation unless these works are performed "within" the true Church of Jesus Christ. Fenton

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #33 on: August 24, 2017, 02:49:01 PM »
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  • :facepalm:
    To be fair, isn't this attributable to us all? Should we now pray God thanks, that we are not as other men?
    "Hi,  I'm DZ and I'm a crapoholic."
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #34 on: August 24, 2017, 04:29:00 PM »
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  • The spam machine seems to shut down around 3 pm, up till then it is non-stop, anyone posts something and he responds within seconds. The only way to do that on all the threads in this sub-forum is to post spam. No other way it can be done. He does not read anything just post spam.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #35 on: August 24, 2017, 10:20:59 PM »
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  • What an honor to be quoted in such a manner!

    It would seem our poor friend LoT is suffering precisely the consequence that St. Augustine (my Confirmation saint) identified.  Augustine got it right.  And so did Fr. Feeney.

    I heartily recommend Desire and Deception by Charles Coulombe, and Bread of Life by Fr. Feeney.

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #36 on: August 25, 2017, 05:08:44 AM »
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    Now, the sacraments produce grace of themselves, ex opera operato, as the technical language of sacred theology says. They bring about this effect except where there is some disposition on the part of the recipient which is incompatible with the reception of the life of sanctifying grace. According to the terminology of the Cantate Domino, such an obstacle exists in a person who is "outside" the unity of the ecclesiastical body, the Mystical body of Jesus Christ. Fenton

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #37 on: September 15, 2017, 01:43:33 PM »
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  • The root cause of this poor man's monomaniacal obsession with the salvation of non-Catholics are his doubts about Divine Providence and God's Omniscience and Omnipotence. The difference between him and we who believe that dogmas are the final word on a subject that was previously in dispute, is that he believes that a person can be snatched away from God's Providence, we do not. 
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #38 on: September 15, 2017, 01:46:10 PM »
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  • The Church Fathers taught Baptism of blood, but they did not teach Baptism of desire.

    Incorrect. See the quotes from St. Augustine and St. Ambrose above, 
    which clearly speak of Baptism of desire.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #39 on: September 15, 2017, 01:47:11 PM »
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  • The root cause of this poor man's monomaniacal obsession with the salvation of non-Catholics are his doubts about Divine Providence and God's Omniscience and Omnipotence. The difference between him and we who believe that dogmas are the final word on a subject that was previously in dispute, is that he believes that a person can be snatched away from God's Providence, we do not.
    His being sick doesn't preclude his also being wicked, and he is the latter, make no mistake or excuse.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #40 on: September 15, 2017, 01:48:44 PM »
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  • Baptism of desire and/or blood only apply to catechumens.

    Incorrect. Only a small percentage of the quotes from the Church that we present above refer to catechumens specifically, while the majority do not. The letter from the Holy Office in 1949, referenced above, clarifies this.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #41 on: September 15, 2017, 02:00:48 PM »
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  • The Church Fathers taught Baptism of blood, but they did not teach Baptism of desire.

    Incorrect. See the quotes from St. Augustine and St. Ambrose above,
    which clearly speak of Baptism of desire.

    Ignoring the fact that St. Augustine retracted his opinion, that St. Ambrose's speech was ambiguous at best, and that 7-8 Church Fathers rejected it outright.

    But carry on, LoT, with your diabolical crusade to undermine EENS and the Sacraments.

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #42 on: September 15, 2017, 02:03:22 PM »
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  • Pope Pius XII did not approve, or did not know about the letter from the Holy Office in 1949.

    Incorrect. Looking at the letter from the Holy Office (
    here), the introductory letter from Archbishop Cushing clearly states, "The Supreme Pontiff, His Holiness, Pope Pius XII, has given full approval to this decision". Still, some have actually tried to argue that it is not certain Pope Pius XII approved of the original letter since it was only signed by two Cardinals who worked for Pope Pius XII. This argument is beyond absurdity; imagine two executives publishing a letter for all the world to see, stating that their CEO approved of the letter, when in actuality he did not. What would happen? The CEO would very quickly find out about the letter published in his name, the executives who sent the letter fraudulently would most likely be terminated (or at least seriously reprimanded), and the letter would be retracted. Of course nothing of the sort happened with the letter from the Holy office in 1949; the letter was published in 1952 in several well-known Catholic references with imprimatur, including Canon Law Digest, The Church Teaches, the Catholic Mind, and the American Ecclesiastical Review, and Pope Pius XII reigned for another 6 years without saying a word.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #43 on: September 15, 2017, 02:35:37 PM »
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  • In the letter it criticizes Father Feeney for speaking against catechetical  instructions approved by the competent authority. That would be Cushing himself and the main teaching which precipitated this controversy was what was being taught at Boston College with the approval of the competent authority.
    A bit of research will show that the disputed teaching which was taking place was clearly heretical, and that is what the SBC were basing their charges of Cushing being a heretic. Which it can be shown that he was.
    Fr. Feeney was told to stop teaching the foundational dogma of the Church because it was "causing problems" for the authorities among the non-Catholics and Jews.

    It is a sorry wagon that LoH and his ilk, hitch their wagon to.

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    Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
    « Reply #44 on: September 15, 2017, 02:43:54 PM »
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  • Father Leonard Feeney was excommunicated only for disobedience, not for going against the faith.

    Incorrect. The letter from the Holy Office in 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (
    hereclearly states, "Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the Faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities...". The circumstances surrounding the excommunication were printed in an article in "The Catholic Advance" on February 27, 1953, which can be seen here. Pope Pius XII made three separate requests for Father Feeney to come to Rome. Clearly this meeting was to be about Father Feeney's denial of a Catholic doctrine, but when he did not show for the hearing, this was the final straw.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

     

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