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The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
« on: August 23, 2017, 12:32:05 PM »
No takers on the following question:

If you were given the choice of martyrdom before baptism or denying Christ so you could get baptized which would you chose?

The root cause of the above posters monomaniacal obsession with the salvation of non-Catholics (Monomania - In 19th-century psychiatry, monomania was a form of partial insanity conceived as single pathological preoccupation in an otherwise sound mind.) is his doubts about  Divine Providence and God's Omniscience and Omnipotence. His question above is indicative of his disbeliefs. That is the difference between him and those who believe that dogmas are the final word on a subject that was in dispute. He believes that a person can be snatched away from God's Providence, we do not. We would never ask such a question because God would never put us in that situation, only the poster could, and other men like him.

Everything that a Catholic needs to know about speculative "What would Happen to a person if...." questions like you drum up in your head, is contained in this quote from St. Augustine, we keep repeating it, but you do not have the eyes to see, because of your illness, your doubts about divine providence and God's omniscience and omnipotence.

The new member ryanaugustine hit the nail on the head when he said:

LoT, if you fancy yourself a teacher then I, the uninstructed, must tell you that you are wrong.  You are not easily understood.  You post endless quotes and do not plug them into any context.  You do not explain anything in plain english.  You don't weave your quotes into any sort of whole cloth of understanding.

I think, rather, that you post these quotes to try desperately to convince yourself that you are right and that Pax Vobis, for instance, cannnot possibly be so.

But I don't want to malign you.  I do think, though, that you should avoid trying to instruct the ignorant until you yourself are clear about what you believe, why, and can present it properly.


Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2017, 12:39:24 PM »
St. Augustine on the Errors of Pelagius said:

If you wish to be a catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that “they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.” There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief. Now these are your words: “We say that some such method as this must be had recourse to in the case of infants who, being predestinated for baptism, are yet, by the failing of this life, hurried away before they are born again in Christ.” Is it then really true that any who have been predestinated to baptism are forestalled before they come to it by the failing of this life? And could God predestinate anything which He either in His foreknowledge saw would not come to pass, or in ignorance knew not that it could not come to pass, either to the frustration of His purpose or the discredit of His foreknowledge? You see how many weighty remarks might be made on this subject; but I am restrained by the fact of having treated on it a little while ago, so that I content myself with this brief and passing admonition.


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Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2017, 12:48:38 PM »
"If you were given the choice of martyrdom before baptism or denying Christ so you could get baptized which would you chose?"

I've already answered this question for him.  I would not, by God's grace, deny Christ, no matter the consequences.  If that meant dying before receiving the Sacrament, then that's what it would mean.  I would accept it as God's will that He chose not to give me salvation and the beatific vision.  Glory to God for denying me this.


Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2017, 02:25:55 PM »
I'm honored to be the one that shows the warts of your heresy by holding it up to the light and reduce you to anger and lies and accusations in order to defend your heresies. What else do you have?

Re: The Root of Lover of Truth's Illness
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 02:39:05 PM »
Co-sign
You cannot admit the fallacy of your position.  Because you are either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.  Or both.  But not neither.