Author Topic: The Roman Catechism (Read 20720 times)

SJB · « **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2010, 10:37:38 AM »

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BOB and BOD are NOT dogmas. They've never been defined as a dogma.

They are taught however, by the Catechism of the Council of Trent. That is why I quoted Acerbo Nimis.

Quote from: Catechism of the Council of Trent

On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.

Caminus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2010, 10:39:33 AM »

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Notice your quote at the end says here, grace (which he might be talking about actual grace, which is ENTIRELY possible, because God does that all the time. He infuses actual grace to get people to seek out the Faith) and righteousness, which talks about NOT salvation but justification, which is NOT the same thing as salvation. Protestants confuse those two terms all the time, so don't fall into that trap.

Don't fall into the trap of denying Catholic doctrine. The teaching of baptism of desire pertains to extreme cases where death intervenes prior to the reception of the sacrament. It would be quite contradictory to assert that baptism of desire can avail a man the grace of baptism immediately prior to death, but that salvation does not follow.

SJB · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2010, 10:48:33 AM »

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Don't fall into the trap of denying Catholic doctrine.

They don't see it that way, however. That is why I call this error the "Feeneyite error". The trump card is always, "That's not a solemnly defined dogma".

Caminus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2010, 11:03:38 AM »

That method itself is a pernicious error. Any number of Catholic doctrines could be called into question by that standard, e.g. the kinds of knowledge of Christ.

Caminus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2010, 11:07:04 AM »

But the reason why I composed this post was in order to demonstrate the authority of the doctrine as it is found within the ordinary universal magisterium. A single quote from the catechism is blithely dismissed, but a more careful examination of the circuмstances brings out the truth more forcefully. It was my hope that "Ladislaus" would then see his temerity in bold relief, his tortured linguistic special pleading notwithstanding.