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Offline saintbosco13

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« Reply #105 on: March 06, 2017, 10:01:12 PM »
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    NO ONE is denying anything from the Athanasian Creed or Cantate Domino, so STOP repeating this over and over and over!!


    Of course you are, buffoon.  You have repeatedly claimed that belief in the Holy Trinity and Jesus Christ are not necessary for salvation and claim that unbelievers can be saved.

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    It's already been answered multiple times that those in invincible ignorance and who have perfect contrition are in the SOUL OF THE CHURCH. They are therefore NOT considered pagans or heretics in this case, so there is NO conflict with the Athanasian Creed or Cantate Domino.


    Idiot.  According to you, II and contrition suffice to be in the Church.  You repeatedly leave out the need for supernatural faith and thereby CLEARLY reject AC and CD.


    Very intelligent response Ladi. I was answering the accusation from Arvi by pointing to the doctrine on the Soul of the Church, which is found in numerous Catholic books over the last 4 centuries. You don't appear to believe in this doctrine. Am I right? Let us know Ladi if you accept this doctrine or not.

    I would also like Arvi to answer as I was replying to him.



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    « Reply #106 on: March 07, 2017, 06:32:22 AM »
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    And, on this point, you ducked my question about affirming or condemning the Church's official discipline in allowing priest to say Mass privately for a person known to have died believing he was a non-Catholic. YOU AVOIDED IT BIG TIME!


    Your worthless point has already been addressed quite well by someone else, so I felt no need to add anything else.  I was avoiding nothing.  This is allowed (only privately so as not to cause scandal) in the event that the person may have converted and entered the Church before dying.  There is no exception to EENS that can be read here.  In fact, there are NO exceptions to EENS.  Even the half-decent Novus Ordites will simply try to loosen the criteria by which one can be within the Church -- but your buddy bosco claims that there are exceptions to EENS.  He's a heretic.  Please denounce him as such before you lose the little bit of credibility you have left.


    It is merely you making a claim out of thin air. There is no support for what you say. The Church allows a priest to be at the bedside of a non-Catholic believing he is a non-Catholic to his dying breath, and seeing the doctor declare the person died, and still say a private Mass for the soul of that visibly non-Catholic if he discerns good-will. You are just inventing something the Church has never said, as if you are smarter than the Church Herself! Somehow the Church failed to stipulate, is that what you are implying?

    There is no exception to EENS, only to visible membership (with conditions). Supernatural faith and charity are absolutely necessary for salvation, and sb13 knows all this.


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    « Reply #107 on: March 07, 2017, 12:05:40 PM »
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    And, on this point, you ducked my question about affirming or condemning the Church's official discipline in allowing priest to say Mass privately for a person known to have died believing he was a non-Catholic. YOU AVOIDED IT BIG TIME!


    Your worthless point has already been addressed quite well by someone else, so I felt no need to add anything else.  I was avoiding nothing.  This is allowed (only privately so as not to cause scandal) in the event that the person may have converted and entered the Church before dying.  There is no exception to EENS that can be read here.  In fact, there are NO exceptions to EENS.  Even the half-decent Novus Ordites will simply try to loosen the criteria by which one can be within the Church -- but your buddy bosco claims that there are exceptions to EENS.  He's a heretic.  Please denounce him as such before you lose the little bit of credibility you have left.


    It is merely you making a claim out of thin air. There is no support for what you say. The Church allows a priest to be at the bedside of a non-Catholic believing he is a non-Catholic to his dying breath, and seeing the doctor declare the person died, and still say a private Mass for the soul of that visibly non-Catholic if he discerns good-will. You are just inventing something the Church has never said, as if you are smarter than the Church Herself! Somehow the Church failed to stipulate, is that what you are implying?

    There is no exception to EENS, only to visible membership (with conditions). Supernatural faith and charity are absolutely necessary for salvation, and sb13 knows all this.


    Agreed.


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    « Reply #108 on: March 07, 2017, 12:43:52 PM »
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    There is no exception to EENS, only to visible membership (with conditions). Supernatural faith and charity are absolutely necessary for salvation, and sb13 knows all this.


    Agreed.



    Thanks, bosco, I'm glad that we Feeneyites have gotten you to retract your previous heretical statements that there are exceptions to EENS and that supernatural faith is not necessary for salvation.  You have said both here on the forum and then refused to retract it.  You should be thankful for the likes of us Feeneyites ... for having reined you back in away from your heresies.  Of course, this is just baloney ... since we know full well that your next tactic is simply to redefine Church according to the terms of Protestant ecclesiology.