Author Topic: The Protestant notion of "Saved" (Read 1549 times)

saintbosco13 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 08, 2017, 05:50:19 PM »

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It's amazing after a whopping 10,000 posts on here that you still preach topic after topic off the top of your head without providing any sources to support

I'm not about to cite all the sources for the likes of a bad-willed scuм like you (wasting hours upon hours of my own time).

No one is forcing you to spend hours of your time in this forum. Since you start off every other post with an insult or other vulgarity, maybe your time would be better spent reading up on how to be charitable.

ihsv · « **Reply #31 on:** March 08, 2017, 08:42:05 PM »

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As was posted in another thread and conveniently ignored:

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From the Athanasian Creed: He therefore that will be saved must think thus of the Trinity.
Does this constitute as implicit or explicit?

As was answered in another thread and conveniently ignored, how can someone think of the Trinity if they are invincibly ignorant of it?

This specific question from EggSaladSandwich was not answered. Does it constitute as implicit or explicit?

It actually has been answered. I mention to Ladislaus the minority opinion of theologians in my post about pastoral theology. Ladislaus simply gave insults rather than maturely address my response. My response showed that the Church would not allow a minority opinion if it were against dogma..but the Church did. Ladislaus often turns the channel and acts like a possessed person because he has no good response.

No, you responded, but you didn't answer the question.

Let's try again:

The specific doctrines concerning the Holy Trinity as outlined in the Athanasian Creed. Do those demand explicit or implicit assent as a condition for salvation?

Cantarella · « **Reply #32 on:** March 08, 2017, 11:55:21 PM »

The Athanasian creed teaches that everyone above the age of reason must have an explicit knowledge and belief in the mysteries of the Trinity and Incarnation to be saved. No exceptions. This creed eliminates the theory of invincible ignorance / salvation via implicit desire of non-Catholics, which really, is what the BOD adherents obsess about.

Quote from: Athanasian Creed

....This is the Catholic faith, which except a man shall have believed faithfully and firmly he cannot be in a state of salvation.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #33 on:** March 09, 2017, 12:28:20 AM »

The thing that stops Protestants in their tracks about being "saved" or not is the following:

You're not saved until you're dead.

Sometimes you have to repeat yourself because they can't cope with the concept.

You're not saved until you're dead.

Tell them that so-and-so is a Doctor of the Church, and wait for their comment.

Then tell them that to become a Doctor of the Church you have to die and it is proclaimed posthumously. They'll be really disappointed. Then tell them again:

You're not saved until you're dead.