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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: The predestined will not end their life without the sacrament of the Mediator
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2022, 01:39:14 PM »
Quote from: Lois Einhorn on July 13, 2022, 09:03:05 AM

Predestination is a protestant heresy.

Hi, Lois. The only thing that stopped me from a down vote was I said today I can't recall giving a down vote. :laugh1:

This is absolute nonsense. Read the authorities in this thread:

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/god's-salvific-will-to-save-'all-men'-and-the-death-of-unbaptized-infants/msg733125/#msg733125
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Offline ServusInutilisDomini

Re: The predestined will not end their life without the sacrament of the Mediator
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2022, 01:43:50 PM »
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Offline Lois Einhorn

Re: The predestined will not end their life without the sacrament of the Mediator
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2022, 03:35:51 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on July 13, 2022, 01:39:14 PM

Hi, Lois. The only thing that stopped me from a down vote was I said today I can't recall giving a down vote. :laugh1:

This is absolute nonsense. Read the authorities in this thread:

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/god's-salvific-will-to-save-'all-men'-and-the-death-of-unbaptized-infants/msg733125/#msg733125

Heresy.

Nobody is predestined to salvation. Salvation depends on free will to avoid being in mortal sin upon death. A person must freely choose to be in the state of grace upon their death. Christ gives us a choice to choose Him or reject Him, and our eternal reward or punishment depends on this free will. 

Give a synopsis of the difference instead of linking your heretical thread. 
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: The predestined will not end their life without the sacrament of the Mediator
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2022, 04:14:42 PM »
Quote from: Lois Einhorn on July 16, 2022, 03:35:51 PM

Heresy.

Nobody is predestined to salvation. Salvation depends on free will to avoid being in mortal sin upon death. A person must freely choose to be in the state of grace upon their death. Christ gives us a choice to choose Him or reject Him, and our eternal reward or punishment depends on this free will. 

. . . heretical thread.

If you read the authorities cited in the  thread, and could actually say that, you need to do something other than discuss things outside your ken on forums like this, and so avoid making a fool of yourself. Or worse.
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Offline bodeens

Re: The predestined will not end their life without the sacrament of the Mediator
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2022, 04:19:47 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on July 16, 2022, 04:14:42 PM

If you read the authorities cited in the  thread, and could actually say that, you need to do something other than discuss things outside your ken on forums like this, and so avoid making a fool of yourself. Or worse.
Maybe this trad hasn't quite realized that in rejecting predestination entirely the user accepts a Vatican II idea of salvation, since this is uniquely tied to "many" in the True Mass.
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