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The necessity of the Catholic Faith
« on: September 16, 2014, 12:08:57 AM »
Many Doctors, Fathers and Saints have held that, if necessary, God would rather send an Angel to instruct souls in the Catholic Faith, or provide this to them by some other such extraordinary means, than allow them to perish in ignorance of the essential mysteries of the Faith necessary by a necessity of means.

Tradition (for e.g. the Athanasian Creed) says whoever wishes to be saved must hold the Catholic Faith, principally the Trinity and Incarnation, which excludes all pagans and Jews, and whoever does not hold the whole Catholic Faith firmly and faithfully "without doubt, he will perish forever", which excludes all heretics and schismatics. In this sense, and in this understanding, the Faith has been always and everywhere held, as the following quotes will make evident.

Msgr. Fenton informs us,

Quote from: Msgr. Fenton
Most theologians teach that the minimum explicit content of supernatural and salvific faith includes, not only the truths of God’s existence and of His action as the Rewarder of good and the Punisher of evil, but also the mysteries of the Blessed Trinity and the Incarnation.


I've never read an explanation of the following statement from those who hold the minority position.

Quote from: Pope St. Pius X
"We declare that a great number of those who are condemned to eternal punishment suffer that everlasting calamity because of ignorance of those mysteries of Faith which must be known and believed in order to be numbered among the elect."


A mystery of Faith is defined by the First Vatican Council as the proper object of supernatural faith, as a truth to which natural reason cannot attain, but which must be revealed by God to be known. Obviously, then, since St. Pius X tells us there are some mysteries of Faith that must be known to be numbered among the elect, these mysteries can only be the Trinity and Incarnation. And St. Pius X does not say merely "believed", so that someone could argue that this could be explained by implicit belief, but "known" and there is no way around "known".

Even before Pope St. Pius X, Fr. Mueller had written,

Quote from: Fr. Michael Mueller
"Some theologians hold that the belief of the two other articles - the Incarnation of the Son of God, and the Trinity of Persons - is strictly commanded but not necessary, as a means without which salvation is impossible; so that a person inculpably ignorant of them may be saved. But according to the more common and truer opinion, the explicit belief of these articles is necessary as a means without which no adult can be saved."


The discredited minority opinion never found favor with the great Doctors, and for good reason. As is clear in the quotes below, they rejected such a view, argued against and refuted it, God would provide all that was necessary for every infidel to be converted to the Faith, provided he for his part did not refuse the series of actual graces leading up to this end that God gave him.

Quote from: St. Alphonsus
Still we answer the Semipelagians, and say, that infidels who arrive at the use of reason, and are not converted to the Faith, cannot be excused, because though they do not receive sufficient proximate grace, still they are not deprived of remote grace, as a means of becoming converted.  But what is this remote grace?  St. Thomas explains it, when he says, that if anyone was brought up in the wilds, or even among brute beasts, and if he followed the law of natural reason, to desire what is good, and to avoid what is wicked, we should certainly believe either that God, by an internal inspiration, would reveal to him what he should believe, or would send someone to preach the Faith to him, as he sent Peter to Cornelius.  Thus, then, according to the Angelic Doctor,  God, at least remotely, gives to infidels, who have the use of reason, sufficient grace to obtain salvation, and this grace consists in a certain instruction of the mind, and in a movement of the will, to observe the natural law; and if the infidel cooperates with this movement, observing the precepts of the law of nature, and abstaining from grievous sins, he will certainly receive, through the merits of Jesus Christ, the grace proximately sufficient to embrace the Faith, and save his soul.”


And St. Thomas likewise, after teaching that all must make an act of the Catholic Faith, in explicitly at least the Trinity and Incarnation to be saved, answers the objection below. Infidels who die as infidels, therefore, and likewise, heretics who die as heretics, are lost. To be saved, to St. Thomas and the Doctors, as to St. Athanasius and the Fathers, and to St. Pius X and the Popes, one must convert and be Catholic before one's death.

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Objection: “It is possible that someone may be brought up in the forest, or among wolves; such a man cannot explicitly know anything about the faith."  

St. Thomas replies: "I answer that ... it is the characteristic of Divine Providence to provide every man with what is necessary for salvation provided on his part there is no hindrance.  In the case of a man who seeks good and shuns evil, by the leading of natural reason, God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the Faith to him.”


The necessity of the Catholic Faith
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2014, 12:43:57 AM »
Not too often one gets to see a honest BODer defending the need of the Catholic Faith for salvation.  :smile: Unfortunately, this is NOT what the vast, vast majority of those who promote modern BOD have in mind, but it is truth that The Catholic Faith is the foundation of all Justification and salvation.

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Session 6, Chapter VI, Decree Concerning Justification (January 13, 1547):
Now, they are disposed to that justice when, aroused and aided by divine grace, receiving faith by hearing, they are moved freely toward God, believing to be true what has been divinely revealed and promised, especially that the sinner is justified by God by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; and when, understanding themselves to be sinners, they, by turning themselves from the fear of divine justice, by which they are salutarily aroused, to consider the mercy of God, are raised to hope, trusting that God will be propitious to them for Christ’s sake; and they begin to love Him as the fountain of all justice, and on that account are moved against sin by a certain hatred and detestation, that is, by that repentance that must be performed before baptism; finally, when they resolve (desire) to receive baptism, to begin a new life and to keep the commandments of God.

Session 6, Chapter VII, Decree Concerning Justification (Jan. 13, 1547):
This disposition or preparation is followed by justification itself,…

Session 6, Chapter VIII, Decree Concerning Justification (Jan. 13, 1547):
But when the Apostle says that man is justified by faith and freely, these words are to be understood in that sense in which the uninterrupted unanimity of the Catholic Church has held and expressed them, namely, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the fellowship of His sons;…

Session 5, The Decree Concerning Original Sin (June 17, 1546):
…our Catholic Faith, without which it is impossible to please God,…


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Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra said:

“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
 



Offline Stubborn

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The necessity of the Catholic Faith
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014, 03:31:42 AM »
Quote from: Nishant

The discredited minority opinion never found favor with the great Doctors, and for good reason. As is clear in the quotes below, they rejected such a view, argued against and refuted it, God would provide all that was necessary for every infidel to be converted to the Faith, provided he for his part did not refuse the series of actual graces leading up to this end that God gave him.



Yes, good post and this is true.

Fr. Wathen puts it this way:
Quote from: Fr. Wathen

This dogma rules out the possibility of simple invincible ignorance concerning the matter of salvation; those who die in ignorance of the Church as the only course of salvific grace must be adjudged to have been culpably so. In a word, they did not know because they did not want to know.





Offline Ladislaus

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The necessity of the Catholic Faith
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014, 08:25:43 AM »
Cf. my post on the other thread regarding your characterization of this heresy as "minority position".

If something was held always, everywhere, and by all for 1500-1600 years, then if that doesn't constitute a dogma taught by the Ordinary Universal Magisterium of the Church, then there's no such thing as an Ordinary Universal Magisterium at all.

Stop soft-pedaling the condemnation of this heresy.

Offline Ladislaus

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The necessity of the Catholic Faith
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2014, 01:19:50 PM »
Lest the actual threads of substance be derailed by LoT's maniacal self-bumping.

Perhaps the Pelagian heretics who have rejoined might answer the question that I posed.

If no one in the Church for about 1500 years EVER doubted that explicit belief in the Holy Trinity and Incarnation were necessary for salvation, then that would make it dogma by way of the Ordinary Universal Magisterium.

How then can someone then come along much later, contradict that dogma, and so suddenly that contradiction becomes a tolerated "minority position"???