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Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 08:17:32 AM »
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  • Allegedly, as second rubber-stamp signature.  Oh, I'm absolutely suspicious.  Put together the circumstantial evidence.

    1) never published in Acta Apostolicae Sedis.  Why?  Because it would then most certainly have been reviewed by Pius XII.  Canon Law at the time stipulated that only those documents which appear in AAS are to be considered "authentic" Magisterium.  And that's due to the possibility of fraud, to make sure that things came out in a Vatican-controlled publication vs. Cushing's local rag that he controlled.

    2) allegedly issued on August 8, 1949.  But then not published until September 1952.  Why?  Father Feeney was a thorn in Cushing's side for 3 years while Cushing sat on this document?  Well, in the meantime, the alleged author of this letter, Carindal Marchetti Selvaggiani had passed away.  So he could never be questioned about its authenticity.
    Don't forget this guy in the woodpile...

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 08:19:19 AM »
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  • The Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office asserts, in the letter, that it "is convinced that the unfortunate controversy [which occasioned the action of the Holy Office] arose from the fact that the axiom 'outside the Church there is no salvation' was not correctly understood and weighed, and that the same controversy was rendered more bitter by serious disturbance of discipline arising from the fact that some of the associates of the institutions mentioned above [St. Benedict Center and Boston College] refused reverence and obedience to legitimate authorities." Fenton
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 08:20:16 AM »
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  • This is the third or fourth time I'm posting this article on this forum. But then, I'm with Fr Feeney all the way!



    JAMES CARROLL
    What would Cardinal Cushing do?
    By James Carroll  |  December 19, 2005
    THE DISPUTE OVER whether it is appropriate, in public, to say ''Happy Holidays" instead of ''Merry Christmas" puts me in mind of Cardinal Richard Cushing. He was my boss when I was Catholic Chaplain at Boston University, and I loved him. In the early 1950s, Cushing forced one of the great changes in Catholic theology by excommunicating Father Leonard Feeney for preaching on Boston Common that ''there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church." As is true of today's exclusivist claims for a Christian meaning of ''the holidays," there was an undercurrent of antisemitism in Feeney's exclusivist claim for Catholicism. An inch below all Christian triumphalism is special contempt for Jews who reject the idea that Jesus is the saving Messiah. Robust assertions of the one meaning of the winter celebration are a version of the claim that there is only one way to God. Jews may not accept that, but how dare they forbid the dominant Christian culture from celebrating its dominance.
    What made Cushing's excommunication of Feeney astounding was that Feeney's line had been official Church teaching for most of a thousand years: No salvation outside the Church. Feeney confidently appealed to Rome, forcing the Vatican to take a position on the question. When the Vatican supported Cushing and upheld the excommunication of Feeney, the long-held doctrine of Catholic exclusivism was overturned.
    Why was Cardinal Cushing the one to force this change? Cushing's sister Dolly, an MTA toll taker, was married to Dick Pearlstein, who, with his father Louis, ran the haberdashery that was on the way to being Boston's best men's store, which it remains. Cardinal Cushing was often in the Pearlstein home, and he had ample occasion to experience his brother-in-law's innate goodness. There came to be no question for Cushing as to whether his sister's beloved husband was beloved of God. That Dick Pearlstein was Jewish -- a ''non-Catholic" -- ceased to have decisive meaning, and Cushing began to take Feeney's ''orthodox" preaching as an insult to his own family. An abstract principle of theology was upended by the sort of cross-group interaction that had become common in America.
    There are religious reactionaries in the world who are suspicious of America precisely because of the religious and cultural elbow-rubbing that occurs in neighborhoods and even families. Upholding the conscience of each individual means refusing to let a particular appeal to conscience dominate public space. But critics can see in such protected plurality of doctrine the top edge of the slippery slope toward ''relativism." One need not share that worry to acknowledge that when people of differing beliefs begin to treat each other with full respect, an elbow-rubbing of the mind always follows.
    To encounter another approach to the great questions of transcendence is inevitably to rethink one's own approach. Competing truth claims can yield when emphasis shifts from the claim itself to the idea of truth behind it. The question, ''Is there one way to heaven?" can become the question, ''What is 'heaven' anyway?" Soon enough, believers can recognize that the truth of their own tradition does not depend on the falsehood of someone else's. The next thing you know, as in Cushing's encounter with the Pearlsteins, basic doctrines of one's own tradition may go out the window.
    The move in recent years to ''relativize" the Christian character of America's winter holiday, making room not only for ancient Jewish observance of Hanukkah and recently invented African-American celebration of Kwanza, but also for open acknowledgement of the prehistoric Solstice origins of the entire enterprise -- all of this is the calendar's version of the neighbor-respecting change that Cardinal Cushing initiated within Catholicism. As was true in that most absolute of religions, the result of such repudiation of claims to supremacy is not the mindless watering-down -- Jesus morphing into Rudolph -- of which reactionaries warn, but a renewed embrace of one's own deepest convictions.
    As a Christian whose faith is braced by American pluralism, I recognize in the derided word ''holidays" a welcome signal of respect for everyone. The word means holy. How easy, therefore, to imagine it from Cardinal Cushing, who showed that holiness means respect. Happy Holidays.
    James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe.
    © Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company.
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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #18 on: September 13, 2017, 08:22:10 AM »
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  • Why do Feeneyites hate authoritative letters?  Because they are heretics.


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    Accordingly the Most Eminent and Most Reverend Cardinals of this Supreme Congregation, in a plenary session, held on Wednesday, July 27, 1949, decreed, and the August Pontiff in an audience on the following Thursday, July 28, 1949, deigned to give his approval, that the following explanations pertinent to the doctrine, and also that invitations and exhortations relevant to discipline, be given.

    We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (magisterium).
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #19 on: September 13, 2017, 08:24:22 AM »
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  • Why do Feeneyites hate authoritative letters?  Because they are heretics.
    Sure we're heretics if you're, for example, a Protestant.
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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #20 on: September 13, 2017, 08:26:20 AM »
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    Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach there is also contained that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

    However, this dogma must be understood in the sense in which the Church itself understands it. For Our Saviour gave the things that are contained in the deposit of faith to be explained by the ecclesiastical magisterium and not by private judgments.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #21 on: September 13, 2017, 08:28:45 AM »
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  • With all due respect Torn, Ottaviani was really only conservative with the Traditional Mass. With regards to EENS and V2 he was just like all the others.
    Wrong if he disagrees with the heretical feeneyites like all the Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes who do.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #22 on: September 13, 2017, 08:35:29 AM »
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  • Ok. But his being alive when published is relevant to the letter being a "fraud."
    The HOL is very bad news in context especially, as is the whole "Boston Heresy" affair, that's certain.
    It is an authoritative letter approved by Pius XII which all Catholic must give their ascent to under pain of mortal sin.  Feeneyites make up lies about it because they have to in order to hold on to their heresy.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #23 on: September 13, 2017, 08:48:00 AM »
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  • LoT now loves Cushing, whereas he would condemn him as a manifest heretic were he alive today.

    In fact, LoT, why wasn't the Episcopal See of Boston vacant due to manifest heresy?

    This guy was an early promoter of ecumenism and religious indifferentism.

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #24 on: September 13, 2017, 08:48:37 AM »
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    This letter, known as the Suprema haec sacra, from the first three words of the Latin text, is of unique importance for the study of this section of sacred theology. It is an instruction of the Holy Office, sent out with the approval and at the bidding of the Sovereign Pontiff himself. As such, it is an authoritative, though obviously not an infallible, document. That is to say, the teachings contained in the Suprema haec sacra are not to be accepted as infallibly true on the authority of this particular document. Nevertheless, the fact remains that much of its teaching - indeed, what we may call the substance of its teaching - is material which has appeared in previous documents emanating from the Sovereign Pontiff himself and from Oecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church. Fenton
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #25 on: September 13, 2017, 08:49:03 AM »
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  • LoT now loves Cushing, whereas he would condemn him as a manifest heretic were he alive today.

    In fact, LoT, why wasn't the Episcopal See of Boston vacant due to manifest heresy?

    This guy was an early promoter of ecumenism and religious indifferentism.
    Here comes yuck.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #26 on: September 13, 2017, 08:50:35 AM »
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  • But when this thing was published, Card. Ottaviani was I think prefect of the Holy Office - definitely alive and a vital force in the Church.

    Yeah, but his was a secondary signature (if it was indeed legitimate) in the role of "Assessor", whatever that meant.

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #27 on: September 13, 2017, 08:51:21 AM »
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  • Here comes yuck.

    Very mature of you.  Now answer the question:

    Why wasn't the Episcopal See of Boston vacant due to manifest heresy?

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #28 on: September 13, 2017, 08:52:22 AM »
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  • Oh! how soon they forget. Fr. Feeney was making record numbers of inconvenient converts and preaching publicly against the Jews.  The eccumenist Cushing could not abide that,or Father Feeney exposing the heresy throughout the diocese which were the documented activities which prompted retaliation and suppression.

    This followed the silencing and supression of the great Father Coughlin, by the prior politically sensitive pope and using Pacelli as the instrument of that injustice. They were both afraid of the Jews. 

    There were much bigger issues were at play here than liberal pet heresies. Opposition resistance were being systematically eliminated, as well as the masonic operatives at work laying the groundwork for Vatican II and the revolution.

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    Re: The Holy Office Letter Suprema Haec Sacra
    « Reply #29 on: September 13, 2017, 08:53:29 AM »
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    Now, in the first place, the Church teaches us that in this matter we are dealing with a most strict precept of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly ordered His apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded.

    Now, not the least important among the commandments of Christ is that one by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself governs the Church on earth in a visible manner.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

     

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