Those on CAF always talk about Protestants being in the Church because of their baptism. I know, from what we've been talking about, that one who is baptized is in the Catholic Church until he professes heresy, then he is not in the Church anymore.
Let me quote a post-Vatican II catechism.
The Catholic Catechism: A Contemporary Catechism of the Teachings of the Catholic Church by John A. Hardon, S. J., pgs. 509-510.
Incorporation into Christ. Through baptism we become united to Christ as head of the Mystical Body. This is the dominant theme of the Pauline letters, which remind the faithful of their organic union with Christ in the one body, which is the Church, and of which they are truly members, comparable to the limbs of a human body, whose direction depends on the head and whose animation derives from the same soul.
This is also thematic in the new baptismal liturgy, which reminds parents, godparents, and the neophytes (or children) that through baptism we are incorporated twice over, once into Christ and once again into his Church, although both are really two aspects of the same incorporation. He has identified himself with the body, which is the Church so that in becoming members of the latter we are joined with him in that mystical union of which the baptismal character is the indelible sign.
It is here, too, that the ecuмenical movement finds its most solid doctrinal foundation. Catholics can now affirm with full security that they are closely joined "with those who are baptized and have the honor of the name Christian, yet do not profess the faith in its entirety." Why so? Because they are "marked by baptism and thereby joined to Christ." Because, since they are incorporated into Christ, they have "a real union in the Holy Spirit, for he is at work among them too with the power of sanctification in gifts and graces; he has given some of them strength to the extent of shedding their blood." Consequently, it is the same Spirit of Christ, dwelling in the hearts of all Christians, in those who profess Roman Catholicism and in those who do not. He is "rousing in all Christ's disciples desire and action, in the hope that all men may be united peacefully, in the manner that Christ appointed, in one flock under one shepherd."
There is an ecuмenical movement in Christendom today only because one and the same Christ already mysteriously unites all who have been baptized in his name. He is active in his members and is urging them to become more fully united among themselves.
This is the reason for impartial communion. With subsists in, it seems that according to Vatican II the Church of Christ is not specifically identified as the Catholic Church, but is a larger body diffused mostly in the Catholic Church but also is present in non-Catholic ecclesiastical communities, on account of baptism.
So would this "impartial communion" be true?
No, as I told you, one is either in the Church or out side of the Church. There is no such thing as this degree of communion, or that degree of communion. That is a lie meant to confuse the faithful into accepting these abberant ideas.
Nothing which is not part of Catholic unity can provide forgiveness of sin, sanctification, or salvation. Hence, the need to maintain that these sects are somehow part of the True Church, in order to justify the heretical idea that people can be saved in these sects. Once again, they are not separated in the sense that they are still in some way connected to the Church. They are entirely and completely severed from the Church and salvation. That is it, black or white, in or out.
JMJ
Topic: The heresy of Lumen Gentium: Subsistit in (Read 30216 times)