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Author Topic: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore  (Read 3688 times)

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Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2017, 09:40:23 AM »

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Furthermore, the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore is realistic enough to take cognizance of the fact that faith itself comes from and through the Church. We must not lose sight of the fact that the formula for the administration of baptism, in the Rituale Romanum, contains this dialog:

"What do you ask of the Church of God?"

"Faith."

"What does faith offer you?"

"Everlasting life." Fenton


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Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2017, 09:41:52 AM »
Fenton says this about Vatican II because his BoD-rooted ecclesiology (the same one LoT promotes) is the same as that of Vatican II.  I've pointed this out many times to LoT.  Fenton, for all his modernism, is not an idiot.  He sees V2 ecclesiology as identical to his own.  LoT, however, does not see the inconsistency of promoting this BoD Suprema Haec ecclesiology while denouncing V2 for "heretical ecclesiology".  Vatican II QUOTES Suprema Haec as the main foundation for its ecclesiology.


Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2017, 09:43:11 AM »

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Divine faith is definitely something which men are expected to seek and to find in the true Church of Jesus Christ. Essentially the true Church is and has been since the time of our first parents the congregation of the faithful, the congregatio fidelium. A man reasonably and prudently asks the Church for faith since the Church is the society authorized and empowered by Our Lord Himself to teach His message, the doctrine we accept with the assent of Christian faith. And the Church is far more than merely the society authorized by Our Lord to teach in His name. It is actually His Mystical Body, the congregation within which He acts as the Sovereign Teacher, in such a way that the members of the hierarchy, the ecclesia docens, are His instruments or ambassadors in the presentation of His Father's message. Fenton 


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Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2017, 09:43:42 AM »
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Furthermore, the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore is realistic enough to take cognizance of the fact that faith itself comes from and through the Church. We must not lose sight of the fact that the formula for the administration of baptism, in the Rituale Romanum, contains this dialog: -- Fenton

Nice omission by Fenton.  No, it's quite clear that faith itself comes through the SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM (as indicated in this ritual from the rite of Baptism) ... not just in some mysterious generic way "through the Church".

Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2017, 09:45:10 AM »

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Thus the teaching of the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore is quite accurate in describing the Church as the social unit within which people are established and strengthened in the faith itself. The Epistle to the Hebrews describes Our Lord as "the author and finisher of faith." [Heb., 12: 12.] The Catholic Church is His Mystical Body. In seeking faith from the Church, we seek it from Him. Fenton