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Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2017, 07:52:36 AM »
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    The teaching of this encyclical is parallel with that of the allocution Singulari Quadam. In both of these docuмents Pope Pius IX insisted upon the fact that it is a dogma of the faith that no man can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Indeed, the language of the encyclical on this point is even more forceful and explicit than that of the allocution. Likewise in both of these docuмents there is a very clear implication of the truth that a man can be "within" the true Church in such a way as to be saved without being a member of this society and, indeed, without having a explicit knowledge of it at all. Moreover both the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore and the Singulari Quadaminsist upon the missionary nature of the Church and bring this truth into play in their explanations of the dogma. The encyclical, however, brings out some aspects of the teaching not touched upon directly in the allocution which was delivered almost nine years previously. The following two paragraphs of the Quanto Conficiamur Moerorehave to do with the dogma of the Church's necessity for salvation. Fenton
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #16 on: August 29, 2017, 07:56:07 AM »
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  • With that, and for the sake of brevity, let us jump right in for in this chapter we will learn, among other things, how "the person who is invincibly ignorant of the true religion, and who sedulously[perseveringly - J. G.] obeys the natural law, lives an honest and upright life, and is prepared to obey God, can be saved through the workings of divine light and grace. Such a person has already chosen God as his ultimate End. He has done this in an act of charity. He is in the state of grace, and not in the state of original or mortal sin. In this act of charity there is involved an implicit desire of entering and remaining within God's true supernatural kingdom. Such a person has had his sins remitted 'with' the true Church of Jesus Christ."

    Pure unadulterated Pelagian heresy ... based on a heretical misreading of Pius IX.  Adults who place no obstacles by way of deliberate sin towards the workings of God's light and grace will ultimately be led to salvation by these.  That is ALL that Pius IX was teaching and absolutely nothing more.  You filthy liars try to make him into a Pelagian.  You disgust me, Lover of Heresy, to the core of my being ... from your blasphemous gnostic derision of the Holy Sacrament of Baptism to your constant promotion of heresy.


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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #17 on: August 29, 2017, 07:57:26 AM »
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  • Lover of Heresy, this crap makes John Paul II look Catholic.

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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #18 on: August 29, 2017, 07:57:44 AM »
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  • And here, Our Beloved Sons and Venerable Brethren, We must mention and reprove a most serious error into which some Catholics have fallen, imagining that men living in errors and apart (alienos) from the true faith and from the Catholic unity can attain to eternal life. This, of course, is completely opposed to Catholic doctrine. It is known to Us and to you that those who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion, and who, carefully observing the natural law and its precepts which God has inscribed in the hearts of all, and who, being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, through the working of the divine light and grace, attain eternal life, since God, Who clearly sees, inspects, and knows the minds, the intentions, the thoughts, and the habits of all, will, by reason of His goodness and kindness, never allow anyone who has not the guilt of willful sin to be punished by eternal sufferings. But it is a perfectly well known Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church, and that those who are contumacious against the authority of that same Church, and who are pertinaciously separated from the unity of that Church and from Peter's successor, the Roman Pontiff, to whom the custody of the vineyard has been entrusted by the Savior, cannot obtain eternal salvation.

    God forbid, however, that the children of the Catholic Church should in any way ever be the enemies of those who are in no way joined to us in the same bonds of faith and of charity. But let them [the Catholics] rather strive always to take care of these people when they [those outside the Church] are poor or sick or afflicted by any other ills. Primarily, let them strive to take these people out of the darkness of error in which they unfortunately live, and bring them back to the Catholic truth and to the loving Mother Church that never ceases to hold out its maternal hands affectionately to them, and to call them back to its embrace so that, established and strengthened in faith, hope, and charity, and bringing forth fruit in every good work, they may attain eternal salvation. [Denz., 1677 f.]
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #19 on: August 29, 2017, 07:59:08 AM »
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    There are three most important lessons contained in this section of the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, the Holy Father's insistence upon the real necessity of the Church for salvation, his implied indication of a distinction between the necessity of means and the necessity of precept, and his teaching about the possibility of salvation for a man who is invincibly ignorant of the true religion but who faithfully observes the natural law. All of these lessons must be studied carefully by a man who seeks to know the genuine doctrine of the Catholic Church on the necessity of the Church for the attainment of eternal salvation. The teaching of the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore has a special importance because this encyclical has been misinterpreted more than once by men who offered inadequate or inaccurate explanations of the dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. Fenton
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #20 on: August 29, 2017, 08:00:56 AM »
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  • You just can't stop with your depraved heretical obsession, can you, Lover of Heresy?

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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #21 on: August 29, 2017, 08:01:31 AM »
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  • It's no wonder at all that Fenton considered Vatican II ecclesiology an "improvement".

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    « Reply #22 on: August 29, 2017, 08:02:10 AM »
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    First of all it must be noted that the statement of the dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church is more forceful and explicit in this encyclical than in any other docuмent, except perhaps the Cantate Domino itself. Pope Pius IX condemned as a most serious error (gravissimum errorem) the notion that "men living in errors and apart from the true faith and from Catholic unity can attain to eternal life." He denounced this false teaching as something most completely opposed to Catholic doctrine. Fenton 

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
    « Reply #23 on: August 29, 2017, 08:04:56 AM »
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  • Fenton Diaries ( November 23, 1968 ):

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    I have just about made up my mind to start a new book. I shall write on the notion of the Church. Nothing like this has appeared since the Council. Within the book I hope to have quite a bit to say about the Council. I must be very careful. If a sincere Catholic writes a book it’s either ignored or brutally attacked. I must make no mistakes. My main thesis will have to be that the Catholic theology on the Church has been improved but in no way changed by the Council.

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    Furthermore he brought out with special clarity the practical import of this teaching. He reminded the Bishops of Italy, and through them the entire Christian world, that the members of the Catholic Church have definite obligations of charity toward non-Catholics. Not only are Catholics forbidden to be enemies of those outside the fold, but they are also bound to exercise the corporal and spiritual works of mercy for the benefit of non-Catholics. Pope Pius IX stressed the importance of the corporal works of mercy. He asserted that Catholics are obligated to be zealous in taking care of non-members of the Church "when they are poor or sick or afflicted with any other ills." But he also insisted upon the fact that their most important duty in the line of charity was an effort to free these people from their errors and to lead them back to the true Church so that therein "they may attain eternal salvation."  Fenton

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: The Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
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  • from Lover of Heresy's great Catholic "authority" on Catholic ecclesiology ...

    Fenton Diaries ( November 23, 1968 ):

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    I have just about made up my mind to start a new book. I shall write on the notion of the Church. Nothing like this has appeared since the Council. Within the book I hope to have quite a bit to say about the Council. I must be very careful. If a sincere Catholic writes a book it’s either ignored or brutally attacked. I must make no mistakes. My main thesis will have to be that the Catholic theology on the Church has been improved but in no way changed by the Council.


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    In other words, according to the Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, the Catholics are obliged in conscience to be realistic in their prayers and works of charity for the benefit of their non-Catholic associates. Pope Pius IX did not want his people to forget that charity for one's neighbor is essentially a part of charity toward God. It is not a work of merely secularistic humanitarianism. The love for one's neighbor which is truly a part of divine charity is essentially a desire to give this neighbor, insofar as it lies within our power, what he needs or will find helpful for the attainment of the Beatific Vision. The basic desire of charity for one's neighbor is the will of intention that this neighbor should have the life of sanctifying grace, and, if he already possesses this supernatural life, that he should grow and persevere in it. It is thus in line with the motive of the Incarnation, the motive that guided Our Lord Himself. He expressed that motive when He declared: "I am come that they may have life and have it more abundantly." [John, 10: 10.] Fenton

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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  • from Lover of Heresy's great Catholic "authority" on Catholic ecclesiology ...

    Fenton Diaries ( November 23, 1968 ):

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    I have just about made up my mind to start a new book. I shall write on the notion of the Church. Nothing like this has appeared since the Council. Within the book I hope to have quite a bit to say about the Council. I must be very careful. If a sincere Catholic writes a book it’s either ignored or brutally attacked. I must make no mistakes. My main thesis will have to be that the Catholic theology on the Church has been improved but in no way changed by the Council. 

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  • I can play this game too, Lover of Fenton.

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    Hence, when true Catholic charity takes care of a man who is sick or afflicted in any other way, it does not look upon this man as one whose destiny is limited to this world and to this life. On the contrary, it takes explicit cognizance that the person it works to benefit is one for whom Our Lord died on the Cross, one whom God wills to have with Him forever in the glory of the Beatific Vision. In the encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, Pope Pius IX reminded the Catholics of the entire world that this explicit cognizance should be eminently practical. The work of the Catholic charity is definitely not complete unless every effort has been expended to free men from the errors that keep them from the eternal possession of God which is their only ultimate end. And, since, by God's own institution, the true Church of Jesus Christ is really requisite for the attainment of man's eternal and supernatural salvation, the work of Catholic charity is lamentably incomplete unless every reasonable effort has been made to persuade non-Catholics to enter this society. Fenton 

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church