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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Dogma of Salvation and the Fourth Lateran Council
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2017, 10:28:35 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 16, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
Many Feeneyites would agree with all of this. 

And many BoDers to NOT agree on this.  Again, the notion of distinction appears to be above your mental capabilities.  One must meet all these requirements to be FULLY a member, a member simpliciter, but, distinguo, one can be a member secundum quid, "imperfectly", and by virtue of this imperfect membership be within the Church.  This is held even by some proponents of BoD ... yet LoT uses this as an anti-Feeneyite argument.
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Re: The Dogma of Salvation and the Fourth Lateran Council
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2017, 12:15:33 PM »
In the Firmiter, the first chapter of the doctrinal declarations of the Fourth Lateran Council, we find the following declaration: "There is, then, one universal Church of the faithful (una . . . fidelium universalis ecclesia), outside of which no one at all is saved (extra quam nullus omnino salvatur)." [Denz., 430.]

This formula bears a singular resemblance to one contained in the profession of faith prescribed by Pope Innocent III in 1208 for the Waldensians who wished to return to the Catholic Church: "We believe in our hearts and we profess orally that there is one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic [Church], outside of which we believe that no one will be saved." [Denz., 423.]
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: The Dogma of Salvation and the Fourth Lateran Council
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2017, 08:00:15 AM »

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Each of these docuŠ¼ents presents three distinct statements as truths actually revealed by God, and consequently as doctrines which men are obliged to accept with the assent of divine faith itself. By immediate and necessary implication, they condemn as heretical the teachings contradictory to these three dogmas of the Catholic faith. The assert that:

It is a divinely revealed truth that there is only once true ecclesia or Church of God.

It is divinely revealed truth that this one true ecclesia is the Roman Catholic Church, the social unit properly termed "the universal Church of the faithful."

No one at all, according to God's own revelation, can be saved if, at the moment of his death, he is "outside" this society. Fenton

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