Author Topic: The Dialogue of Saint Catherine of Siena. (Read 9984 times)

Centroamerica · « **on:** June 19, 2016, 01:28:28 PM »

I wanted to create a poll to see what the majority of Catholics believe regarding the private revelations of God the Father to Saint Catherine of Sienna. If you have read this classic work, please take the poll. Thanks.

Please comment about your vote.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2016, 01:32:04 PM »

This isn't worded well and should be corrected. I meant this option to be for those who would argue that such a great saint would not lie about this revelation, so the work must be believed, especially if one considers that canonizations before V2 were always considered to be infallible. In other words, you believe it is true and also that to doubt it touches on papal fallibilty making it binding.

"To choose to not believe that the Dialogue was received by a private revelation to Saint Catherine of Sienna means to say that the canonized saint lied about her revelation and committed a grave act of deception."

Centroamerica · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2016, 02:19:03 PM »

I just voted on this poll. I have been using the Dialogue for mental prayer on weekdays. I haven't read the entire thing but most of it. I voted that I believe it is true and to some point binding because if you claim it isn't true you accuse a canonized saint of a grave sin. (That was the third, poorly worded option). I still believe it is private revelation, but being the work of a canonized saint calling upon papal infallibility gives it a binding nature (unless you would make some silly claim like that it was fraudulently attributed to her.)

I guess the options could be a little better.

PG · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2016, 02:45:39 PM »

centroamerica - you are getting ahead of yourself. The real question is whether pre v2 canonizations are infallible. Canon Hesse says he personally believes that they are, but that the church does not dogmatically teach it. I respect that answer. However, in my case, I do not believe that pre v2 canonizations are infallible. I don't mean to derail your thread, but you are pivoting on unstable ground. Because, it is not a decided subject.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2016, 02:58:47 PM »

Quote from: PG

centroamerica - you are getting ahead of yourself. The real question is whether pre v2 canonizations are infallible. Canon Hesse says he personally believes that they are, but that the church does not dogmatically teach it. I respect that answer. However, in my case, I do not believe that pre v2 canonizations are infallible. I don't mean to derail your thread, but you are pivoting on unstable ground. Because, it is not a decided subject.

I appreciate your post, and I agree with Canon Hesse. I guess that if one chooses to believe that Saint Catherine of Siena were not truly a saint, there would be no definitive argument. The question remains: Would anyone accuse the saint of fabricating a fraudulent work such as this?