Author Topic: All the NOers seem to be semi-pelagians... (Read 18637 times)

Nishant · « **Reply #150 on:** January 23, 2012, 03:50:16 AM »

All right, Gregory. Now I know you don't read my posts, though I do yours.

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The bodies of children will be impassible, not through their being unable in themselves to suffer, but through the lack of an external agent to act upon them: because, after the resurrection, no body will act on another, least of all so as to induce corruption by the action of nature, but there will only be action to the effect of punishing them by order of the divine justice.

Wherefore those bodies to which pain of sense is not due by divine justice will not suffer punishment. On the other hand, the bodies of the saints will be impassible, because they will lack the capability of suffering; hence impassibility in them will be a gift, but not in children.

So on the contrary, the Angelic Doctor does address your question directly. And frankly, he conceived every possible objection to what he said, including objections most people wouldn't think enough to make, and sufficiently answered them, in my view.

Gregory I · « **Reply #151 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:25:58 PM »

No, I do read your posts, and I read that. But Philosophy is SUBJECT to divine revelation. According to REVELATION, all those whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire.

Why are infants excepted?

Nishant · « **Reply #152 on:** January 27, 2012, 10:33:09 PM »

But the lake of fire, Hades, Gehenna etc all refer simply to hell. And limbo is a part of hell. So they will indeed be in hell as such even after the resurrection.

Gregory I · « **Reply #153 on:** January 28, 2012, 08:50:28 PM »

But they are in a LAKE OF FIRE, not some remote far off corner.

Great and SMALL are brought before the throne.

And Death and HADES (The intermediate abode of the dead, where the dead go in the particular judgement) are thrown INTO IT.

If they share a common fate in the end, then justice demands that they share the same fate in the beginning, no? Of course there could be gradation in terms of INTENSITY, but there is one KIND of punishment for the damned in the Resurrection:

Hellfire. Alienation.