Stop trying to weasel out of this.  Yes or no.  Is explicit knowledge of the Holy Trinity and Incarnation necessary for justification?

I can’t believe you won’t answer this, Angelus.  This is a very basic question.  Shame on you.  

Hopefully this venn diagram shows up, I've also attached it.

Regarding cannon 30,  if the statement “to every repentant sinner” includes both those who receive the grace of justification, whether it be in Baptism or Penance, then both are repentant sinners.

One cannot say all repentant sinners are without the debt of temporal punishment, as that would only apply to the newly baptized.

I can’t believe you won’t answer this, Angelus.  This is a very basic question.  Shame on you. 

CHAPTER VI.

The manner of Preparation.

Now they (adults) are disposed unto the said justice, when, excited and assisted by divine grace, conceiving faith by hearing, they are freely moved towards God, believing those things to be true which God has revealed and promised,-and this especially, that God justifies the impious by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; and when, understanding themselves to be sinners, they, by turning themselves, from the fear of divine justice whereby they are profitably agitated, to consider the mercy of God, are raised unto hope, confiding that God will be propitious to them for Christ's sake; and they begin to love Him as the fountain of all justice; and are therefore moved against sins by a certain hatred and detestation, to wit, by that penitence which must be performed before baptism: lastly, when they purpose to receive baptism, to begin a new life, and to keep the commandments of God. Concerning this disposition it is written; He that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him; and, Be of good faith, son, thy sins are forgiven thee; and, The fear of the Lord driveth out sin; and, Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost; and, Going, therefore, teach ye all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; finally, Prepare your hearts unto the Lord.
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I thought my previous answer would be obvious enough. The quote above from the Council of Trent does not mention belief (explicit or implicit) in "the Holy Trinty" or in "the Incarnation." So, according the the Fathers of the Council of Trent, belief in those two things would not be necessary for "justification." On that question, I would not dare to contradict Trent.

We probably both know why he won't answer it.

Did you find any other post-Trent statements by theologians, authorized by imprimatur, that state that BoD is heretical, as you claim. 

Or was Canisius's catechism for little boys your best effort? 

Hopefully this venn diagram shows up, I've also attached it.

Regarding cannon 30,  if the statement “to every repentant sinner” includes both those who receive the grace of justification, whether it be in Baptism or Penance, then both are repentant sinners.

One cannot say all repentant sinners are without the debt of temporal punishment, as that would only apply to the newly baptized.

Correct. Nice graphic. And logic. Maybe it will be contagious.

Correct. Nice graphic. And logic. Maybe it will be contagious.

In that case, will you retract your accusation of heresy against me based due to your omission of "to every repentant sinner"?

You clearly did not read the thread and you also ignored what I said about the Catechism being fallible.

BoD is not a defined doctrine. If you actually read the thread you would have seen your points have already been addressed.

The Roman Catechism teaching that I quoted on "BoD" agrees with (and derives from) the teaching on BoD from Trent, Session 6, chapter 4, which discusses "justification" arising from "the desire for [the bath of regeneration]." That is infallible Magisterial teaching from the Church. 

If you mean by "not a defined doctrine" that is not part of the Extraordinary Magisterium, I agree. But the doctrine of BoD, referenced in Trent Session 6, chapter 4, is part of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. And this is why the practice of the Church recommends that adult catechumens wait many months before being baptized. The Church teaches that their "desire for baptism" justifies them, even if they die before receiving the Sacrament.

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. . . this transition, once the gospel has been promulgated, cannot take place without the laver of regeneration or the desire thereof, as it is written: Unless a man is born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:5).


As it is written says water and the Holy Spirit, both are needed.


If   "or"   means  "one or the other"   then forced baptisms would be valid.

if   "or"   means   "one and the other"   then both are needed.