To restate the same. Justification puts one in a "state of grace." A state of grace has two possible options: 1) no temporal debt remaining or 2) temporal debt still remaining. If he person dies in number 1, he goes straight to Heaven. If a person dies in number 2, he goes to Purgatory.

There is a third option, which the Church Fathers inferred many times (when they said someone was "washed" but "not crowned"), which is Limbo of the Just.  BOD does not provide the sacramental character, the wedding garment, which is necessary for either purgatory/Heaven.  Ultimately, this is the main problem of saying that BOD'ers can get to heaven.

There is a third option, which the Church Fathers inferred many times (when they said someone was "washed" but "not crowned"), which is Limbo of the Just.  BOD does not provide the sacramental character, the wedding garment, which is necessary for either purgatory/Heaven.  Ultimately, this is the main problem of saying that BOD'ers can get to heaven.

I agree with BoD means "washed" but "not crowned," aka "justified" but "not saved."

The person who is merely "justified" by BoD is in a very precarious state if his life continues. He DOES NOT have access to the other Sacraments until he is sacramentally water-Baptized. If he was "justified" and he immediately falls back into sin, he does not have access to the "second plank" of the Sacrament of Penance. Can he "receive" BoD again and again? I don't know. I would assume so because all it amounts to is perfect contrition of an unbaptized person. God's mercy is infinite.

But how likely is it that a person who repents and then continues to live a long life without the Eucharist and the Sacrament of Penance can persevere in a state of grace until his death. I would say almost impossible (camel through the eye of a needle stuff). 

Finally, I don't think the sacramental character = the wedding garment precisely. I think the wedding garment is the soul. A clean wedding garment is a justified soul. A filthy wedding garment is a soul in mortal sin. 

The Sacramental character is the ticket to get the other Sacraments to help keep the wedding garment (the soul) clean. So, realistically, without the Sacramental character a person will not persevere with a clean wedding garment (soul) but will stain his wedding garment (soul) through sin and have no easy way to cleanse his wedding garment (the Sacraments). As such, he is likely to fall into despair and then distract himself with worldly pleasures following the mantra "eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die."

The analogy of the wedding garment is from Scripture, where Christ explains that you either have one or not.  Those that don't have one, cannot stay at the wedding feast (i.e. salvation) and are "cast out into the darkness" (i.e. hell).

The analogy never includes clean vs dirty.

I agree. In Jesus's quotes, he speaks of having a wedding garment or not. But in the Apocalypse, St. John speaks of washing the robes. Here is a quote from Chapter 22:

14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15 Without are dogs, and sorcerers, and unchaste, and murderers, and servers of idols, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie.

And and speaking of the 144,000 in chapter 6, St. John says:

13 And one of the ancients answered, and said to me: These that are clothed in white robes, who are they? and whence came they? 14 And I said to him: My Lord, thou knowest. And he said to me: These are they who are come out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he, that sitteth on the throne, shall dwell over them. 16 They shall no more hunger nor thirst, neither shall the sun fall on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb, which is in the midst of the throne, shall rule them, and shall lead them to the fountains of the waters of life, and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

So I think the two interpretations are not far off. But I think that a baptized soul in a state of grace is in the same situation of cleanness as a justified soul in a state of grace. Both the baptized soul and the justified soul (BoD) are clean at the moment of regeneration but can lose their state of grace. The difference is that the baptized soul is likely to be more vigilant and can more easily recover from his fall. The merely justified soul, after falling a few times, will probably not be able to persevere to the end.

The wedding feast parable is not similar to the Apocalypse robes of the Just.  The Haydock bible does not make this connection.

Then you are minimizing the purpose/effects of the baptismal character, the same as the Protestants, who believed we can be saved by "faith (desire) alone".  Trent even anathamatizes those who say that baptism does not impart a character on the soul.  If Trent went so far as to point out this necessary aspect of Baptism, then we can't brush it aside and say that BOD justification = baptismal state of grace.  Apples vs bananas.

No, I'm not minimizing anything. I did not say that "faith alone" = desire. You said that. BoD is a recognition of one's filthiness in sin and a "desire" to be cleansed of that filthiness by God's grace. Yes, to have faith that God's grace can bring about that cleansing is a necessary prerequisite. But "faith alone" is not BoD properly understood.

And I did not say that the Sacrament of Baptism "does not impart a character on the soul." But the baptized person can lose his state of grace by committing a mortal sin and until he is absolved of that mortal sin, he cannot go to Heaven.

And I did not say that "BoD justification = baptismal state of grace." I said that BoD and the Sacrament of Baptism both bring about a "state of grace" in the person's soul. But BoD does not affect temporal debt for sins committed, while the Sacrament of Baptism remits ALL temporal debt for sins committed to that point in the baptized person's life.

BoD and the Sacrament of Baptism have only one important thing in common. They both confer a "state of grace" (temporary in many souls). But BoD and the Sacrament differ in other important ways. BoD IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE for the Sacrament.

BoD is like climbing Everest in shorts and a t-shirt. The further you go, the more likely you are to die. The Sacrament is like going on a guided climb of Everest with world-renowned experts and every imaginable danger potentially mitigated by some kind of technology. It would be crazy to choose BoD over the Sacrament.

If BOD isn’t a substitute then you can’t say that it gets you to heaven.  Trent says that only the sacrament gets us to heaven.  So the Everest analogy does not jive with Trent.  You should say “I don’t know if they make it to the top of mountain (heaven) or not.”  None of us knows.  Not until the Church makes it clear.

You stated the following:

"Trent says that only the sacrament gets us to heaven."

Please show me this quote (or similar) from the docuмents of Trent.

Here's the logic from Trent:

CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.

Major 1:  Water is necessary for baptism (doctrine)
Major 2:  Baptism is necessary for salvation (doctrine)
Minor 1:  BOD is not a sacrament, nor does it replace water baptism (fact)
Minor 2:  Trent mentions "desire" in the section on justification.
Conclusion 1:  Water is necessary, as part of baptism, for salvation.
Conclusion 2:  BOD can provide justification but not salvation, because it's not a sacrament.
Conclusion 3:  What happens to those who die justified but pre-baptism?  Trent does not say.  In absence of Trent's guidance, we cannot say that BOD justification provides heaven.

The beginning of Session 7 Council of Trent: "The most holy sacraments of the Church, through which all true justification begins, or being begun is increased, or being lost is restored."

Sorry. Nowhere in what you quoted from Trent does it say that "only the sacrament gets us to heaven." It says that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation.

Heaven = salvation.  Baptism = necessary for salvation/heaven.  Same thing.

The word "salvation" can mean salvation from eternal Hell, but with a detour through Purgatory first.

Ok, but Purgatory is not an eternal place; it ends when the world ends.  Thus, there are only 2 "ending spots" - heaven or hell.

a.  If you are saved from hell, you necessary end up in heaven.  You just described it indirectly.  "Saved from hell" = "Saved in Heaven" = "Salvation in Heaven".
b.  Detour in Purgatory = you end up in Heaven.  Salvation = heaven.

Or it can mean salvation from all punishment in the afterlife, meaning no Purgatory.

So no purgatory = go directly to heaven.  Salvation = Heaven.

I believe that Canon V is using "salvation" in the second sense. Trent does not specify, so we just don't know from Canon V itself, which sense was intended.

First sense or second sense...it doesn't matter.  The end result is Heaven.  Salvation = Heaven.


I've never heard anyone try to say these 2 words mean different things.  "Salvation" is the process or adverb which describes one getting to heaven.  But the word is solely connected to heaven.  You only get saved to go to heaven (eventually); no where else.  If someone attains salvation, they attain heaven.  They are 100% related.

1.  The sacrament = necessary for salvation = necessary for heaven.
2.  BOD is not the sacrament.
3.  BOD cannot provide salvation in heaven.  (Purgatory is irrelevant because it's temporary).

Trent never even says anywhere that justification is conferred with the sacrament itself,

I think you misworded this.