You know, Stubborn, I think we basically agree on our Catholic Faith. We also agree that no one is damned unless through his own free will. These issues don't really affect how we have to live as Catholics to honour God and get to Heaven, and as you and I know, it is a big enough battle for those of us who have been gifted with the Catholic Faith. So I'm going to call a truce and leave these contested matters to the theologians. It is curious though, looking at the title of this thread, no one has addressed the issues that the CATECHISM of the Council of Trent does indeed very explicitly teach BOD, as demonstrated by the excerpt that I posted earlier:
My Catechism of the Council of Trent (Imprimatur 1923) teaches it explicitly, as does this one from 1905 (during the pontificate of Pius X): The catechism of the Council of Trent : published by command of Pope Pius the fifth : Catholic Church : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
"With regard adults who enjoy the perfect use of reason, persons, for instance, born of infidel parents, the practice of the primitive Church points out a different manner of proceeding... On this class of persons, however, the Church does not confer this sacrament hastily: She will have it deferred for a certain time; nor is the delay attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned: and should any unforeseen accident deprive adults of baptism, their intention of receiving it, and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness." (p124,125 of the text)
You said above:
"no one has addressed the issues that the CATECHISM of the Council of Trent does indeed very explicitly teach BOD, as demonstrated by the excerpt that I posted earlier..."Ok, the catechism first off states that there is no danger of death involved, if there were, then the adult must be be baptized asap like infants who are more prone shall we say, to die at any time. However, when there actually *is* the danger of death,
the very next chapter teaches that "In Case Of Necessity Adults May Be Baptized At Once."
To continue with the first part where it says:
"should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness."
Note that
"grace and righteousness" are attributes of the living, not the dead. Neither Trent nor it's catechism are talking about the attainment of salvation here, which is an attribute of the dead, not the living, which means quoting this part of the catechism to show it's contrariness to John 3:5 and Trent's application of it, is a non sequitur.
Also note that there is *no* mention of accidental death, only an "unforeseen accident," which could mean literally any unforeseen event *except death* that impedes the catechumen from receiving the sacrament as planned, anything from the priest having to reschedule due to an emergency, to the catechumen's car not starting, to whatever other "unforeseen accident" you can think of,
except unforeseen accidental death.
As I said earlier in this thread, "Neither Trent nor it's catechism taught it. Trent actually clearly and explicitly condemns it. The only possible way to get a BOD out of either is to first read a BOD *into* them. Which means one must read meanings into words which the words they read do not say, while they fail to advert to what the words do say."
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