You and I agree on this point.. I was saying what trent says, justification (for someone with the use of reason) is not just the mere act of baptism, it must be preceded by faith.
Natural faith comes before baptism, which, I agree is a requirement for the sacrament. But natural faith cannot save.
Only AFTER one is baptized, do they receive Supernatural Faith, which saves.
This is what I mean by Faith^
Right, Trent is referring to natural faith, which we get "by hearing" (i.e. by the human 5 senses).
No one can "give themselves" supernatural faith. And no one can preach, teach, explain, or communicate supernatural faith to someone else. It only comes from the sacrament, directly from God.
If supernatural faith could be had through human means, or by desire, then the protestant's heresy of "sola fide" would be true.