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Author Topic: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire  (Read 64437 times)

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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #235 on: March 28, 2023, 10:34:08 AM »

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Note everywhere you would expect the council to just slam it's fist down and identify....the metaphysically necessary administration of sacramental baptism as the only route of justification, it does something else.
CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.



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It is not done out of the assumption that catechumens cannot have supernatural faith. The Council says they can.
Catechism 101.  Baptism gives supernatural Faith, which one can only receive once.  Once one has supernatural Faith, they will always have it.  Therefore a catechumen cannot have supernatural Faith both BEFORE and AFTER baptism.  It makes no sense.


Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #236 on: March 28, 2023, 10:39:35 AM »
This "verbose" explanation is there precisely to hit all the points related to rejecting the various Protestant errors (and also their distortions of Catholic teaching).

You can stop with the mansplaining here ... "If you do not understand the significance of this distinction the council makes, I entreat ..."

I entreat you to get off your high horse pretending that you alone truly understand the Council.
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This coming from the guy who literally and unironically named a system of theology after himself? Please, it's Lent, and this is far too rich!


Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #237 on: March 28, 2023, 10:40:54 AM »
CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.


Catechism 101.  Baptism gives supernatural Faith, which one can only receive once.  Once one has supernatural Faith, they will always have it.  Therefore a catechumen cannot have supernatural Faith both BEFORE and AFTER baptism.  It makes no sense.
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Supernatural faith can only be received once? :confused:

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #238 on: March 28, 2023, 10:57:23 AM »
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This coming from the guy who literally and unironically named a system of theology after himself? Please, it's Lent, and this is far too rich!

Coming from someone who doesn't understand what a "system of theology" is.  There's no system of theology, just a theological position on one particular subject, and I stuck my name on it to indicate that it's unique.  This is done all the time, to associate a particular position with an individual who came up with it.  It's neither "Feeneyism" nor "Dimondism" nor "BoDism", so this is a label to distinguish it.  I argue that it's what St. Ambrose and some other Fathers held, except that at the time they did not have a term "BoD", which was made up long after them.

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #239 on: March 28, 2023, 10:59:04 AM »
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Supernatural faith can only be received once? :confused:

What he's (obviously) saying is that you can't RECEIVE supernatural faith if you ALREADY HAVE IT.  You can't receive it two supernatural faiths.