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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2023, 09:38:18 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2023, 09:36:47 AM
I'll try to find it again here.  Interestingly, the Council of Florence's EENS definition was almost a verbatim citation from St. Fulgentius.

Appreciated. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2023, 09:40:17 AM »
You don't think Trent's catechism has been "updated" after a period of years?  If not, i'd say you'd be naive.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2023, 09:42:31 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 15, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
You don't think Trent's catechism has been "updated" after a period of years?  If not, i'd say you'd be naive.

Is there a point you want to make here? Please make it. 
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Offline gemmarose

Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2023, 11:44:19 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on March 15, 2023, 07:35:34 AM
Well, the whole a BOD subject is actually kinda ridiculous imo, I mean, the first ridiculous thing is that the idea itself is only ever defended by those already baptized, think about that for a minute.

I also think in some way that it may well be possible that God may be offended because His own faithful people are promoting the idea that He cannot or will not provide the sacrament that He very clearly mandated as a requirement for salvation (and on that account is obligated to provide), regardless of circuмstances.
"I also think in some way that it may well be possible that God may be offended because His own faithful people are promoting the idea that He cannot or will not provide the sacrament that He very clearly mandated as a requirement for salvation (and on that account is obligated to provide), regardless of the circuмstances."

BINGO! That's why we have the story of the miracle shown in Acts 8. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Catechism of the Council of Trent does not teach Baptism of Desire
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2023, 12:28:41 PM »
Quote from: gemmarose on March 15, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
"I also think in some way that it may well be possible that God may be offended because His own faithful people are promoting the idea that He cannot or will not provide the sacrament that He very clearly mandated as a requirement for salvation (and on that account is obligated to provide), regardless of the circuмstances."

BINGO! That's why we have the story of the miracle shown in Acts 8.
There really is so many very good and sound reasons to reject a BOD, that to debate the idea so often is already ridiculous.

Neither Trent nor it's catechism taught it. Trent actually clearly and explicitly condemns it. The only possible way to get a BOD out of either is to first read a BOD *into* them. Which means one must read meanings into words which the words they read do not say, while they fail to advert to what the words do say. 
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