Author Topic: THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY (Read 26348 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2009, 10:57:44 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

There is NO supernatural Faith outside of the Church. This is bestowed IN BAPTISM. Don't make me drag out all the quotes from Trent.

Would not one have to have faith and intellect both to be drawn to the Church to then, in turn, get the baptism?????

Belloc · « **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2009, 10:58:42 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Quote from: Catholic Martyr
There is NO supernatural Faith outside of the Church.

Kind of like how there was NO supernatural Faith outside of the OT ѕуηαgσgυє?

Job ringing any bells?

good points........Gladius, you are one Sede that can at least make a good point or generate some validity for your position...

Belloc · « **Reply #42 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:00:02 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Oh, and to make my position absolutely clear, I think that Pius XII was a heretic.

um......uh huh.......ok.......

Belloc · « **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:03:28 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
So you're not a hard core feeneyite. And the sacrament of Baptism is NOT REQUIRED in EVERY case. Catechumens are NOT yet recieved the Sacrament.

No, but the vow is. Show me otherwise, and I will believe.

Doesn't matter. The "vow" is implicit anyway. The point is that THE SACRAMENT of BAPTISM is not NOT required in EVERY case. Do you now admit this?

This is heresy, and if you had lived during the Middle Ages and said this, they would have burned you. A vow cannot be implicit, it cannot be unconscious. There are no "anonymous Christians," only Christians and non-Christians. From the Council of Trent:

Canon 5. If anyone says that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation, let him be anathema.

it is not optional, but at times, cannot be administered.....there are always exceptions beyond a persons means......

you know, the cut and paste job is like Prots, they thump the bible and say "thats what it says, thats what it means" without going any further....very anti-intellectual and much closer to Prot-ism this Sedeism...

What Trent is saying is some were saying it is optional,therefore, will not get it or wait until it suits me....this was opinion of anabaptists and some others....did not mean those who would not help it.....again, Trent did not teach some form of double Predestination.........

Belloc · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:06:01 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

"Jehanne" sorta looks like a girls name. Sounds like it too "Jan", "Jean" whatever.

So, DON, my man, please please please do not answer SJB question in the affirmative.

Or you will make yourself heretical.

you likely have already condemned him.........if not, give it time......your first comments are insulting to him....does not prove your sede thesis at all, but is a certain turn off if you are trying to prove something........perhaps we should delve into your real name, background,etc.......

lets keep to dicussion......I may mock you and use some snide humor, but have not gotten that personal....well,yet.....