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Offline SJB

THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2009, 07:36:34 PM »
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
jehanne,

The point is that THE SACRAMENT of BAPTISM is not NOT required in EVERY case. Do you now admit this?

Now you know why I thought you were a female. :) No offense to any females out there, either. I knew Clare was a female...but not from her arguments. :)


The name "Jehanne" is a French name.  Actually, there are men and women who have had that name throughout history.  A quick Google search will reveal who they are.


Actually, I wasn't referring to your pseudonym...more your style of argument. Both you and CM apparently missed that. :)

THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 07:39:59 PM »
Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
jehanne,

The point is that THE SACRAMENT of BAPTISM is not NOT required in EVERY case. Do you now admit this?

Now you know why I thought you were a female. :) No offense to any females out there, either. I knew Clare was a female...but not from her arguments. :)


The name "Jehanne" is a French name.  Actually, there are men and women who have had that name throughout history.  A quick Google search will reveal who they are.


Actually, I wasn't referring to your pseudonym...more your style of argument. Both you and CM apparently missed that. :)


So, you're saying that I argue like a girl?!


Offline CM

THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 08:23:53 PM »
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: Catholic Martyr
Don't make me drag out all the quotes from Trent.


Do it, please!


Quote from: Pope Paul III, at Trent, Session 6, Decree on Justification, Chapter 7 (What the justification of the impious is, and what are the causes thereof),
the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified;


In Baptism is bestowed the supernatural faith, whereby a man is justified.  This is de fide.

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For, although no one can be just, but he to whom the merits of the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ are communicated, yet is this done in the said justification of the impious, when by the merit of that same most holy Passion, the charity of God is poured forth, by the Holy Spirit, in the hearts of those that are justified, and is inherent therein: whence, man, through Jesus Christ, in whom he is ingrafted, receives, in the said justification, together with the remission of sins, all these (gifts) infused at once, faith, hope, and charity.


These are all received at once at Baptism.

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For faith, unless hope and charity be added thereto, neither unites man perfectly with Christ, nor makes him a living member of His body. For which reason it is most truly said, that Faith without works is dead and profitless; and, In Christ Jesus neither circuмcision, availeth anything, nor uncircuмcision, but faith which worketh by charity. This faith, catechumens beg of the Church-agreeably to a tradition of the apostles-previously to the sacrament of Baptism; when they beg for the faith which bestows life everlasting, which, without hope and charity, faith cannot bestow:


The tradition of the Apostles is that this saving faith does not exist in a catechumen previously to Baptism.

Finally, Trent teaches that no man can be justified (as you know) without the laver of regeneration or the votum for it.  These are not mutually exclusive causes of justification, but both are required for justification to take place.

There is not dogmatic support for the contrary heretical opinion ANYWHERE.

THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 09:53:35 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Martyr
Quote from: Pope Paul III, at Trent, Session 6, Decree on Justification, Chapter 7 (What the justification of the impious is, and what are the causes thereof),
the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified;


Thanks!  Sums it up nice, doesn't it?!  No "implicit faith" here, eh?  Quite the contrary.

Offline SJB

THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2009, 01:26:12 PM »
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: SJB
jehanne,

The point is that THE SACRAMENT of BAPTISM is not NOT required in EVERY case. Do you now admit this?

Now you know why I thought you were a female. :) No offense to any females out there, either. I knew Clare was a female...but not from her arguments. :)


The name "Jehanne" is a French name.  Actually, there are men and women who have had that name throughout history.  A quick Google search will reveal who they are.


Actually, I wasn't referring to your pseudonym...more your style of argument. Both you and CM apparently missed that. :)


So, you're saying that I argue like a girl?!


Seriously, what else could I be saying.