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Offline Raoul76

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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2010, 05:40:31 PM »
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  •  :popcorn:
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #31 on: January 02, 2010, 07:44:14 PM »
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    No, neither are they obligated to teach it if it teaches heresy.  And if they are smart enough to figure out that Vatican II is heretical, how can they not see another variant of the same heresy in this catechism they all teach?


    Mike, this is really weak. Saying the Baltimore Catechism (I'm looking at the 1941 edition for secondary school students) teaches what Vatican II teaches is ridiculous.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #32 on: January 02, 2010, 08:22:47 PM »
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

    I have no idea what #2 was necessary in the Baltimore Catechism's answer, unless it was a poor way of saying that a baptized person (fully initiated into the Roman Catholic Church by virtue of their Baptism), who then knowingly and willfully separated themselves from the Faithful, could not be saved, as such an action would indeed comprise a mortal sin.

    That all who die validly baptized and free from mortal sin will take their place among the Blessed is as certain a fact as anyone can ever possess.


    Those separated from the Church are not free from mortal sin however.  They are stained with the guilt of heresy, schism or apostasy.

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    « Reply #33 on: January 03, 2010, 07:37:05 AM »
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

    I have no idea what #2 was necessary in the Baltimore Catechism's answer, unless it was a poor way of saying that a baptized person (fully initiated into the Roman Catholic Church by virtue of their Baptism), who then knowingly and willfully separated themselves from the Faithful, could not be saved, as such an action would indeed comprise a mortal sin.

    That all who die validly baptized and free from mortal sin will take their place among the Blessed is as certain a fact as anyone can ever possess.


    Those separated from the Church are not free from mortal sin however.  They are stained with the guilt of heresy, schism or apostasy.


    Those TRULY separated. A truly material schismatic is not guilty before God of the sin of schism. A truly material heretic is not guilty before God of the sin of heresy. They are guilty of no mortal sin.
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    « Reply #34 on: January 03, 2010, 07:48:20 AM »
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

    I have no idea what #2 was necessary in the Baltimore Catechism's answer, unless it was a poor way of saying that a baptized person (fully initiated into the Roman Catholic Church by virtue of their Baptism), who then knowingly and willfully separated themselves from the Faithful, could not be saved, as such an action would indeed comprise a mortal sin.

    That all who die validly baptized and free from mortal sin will take their place among the Blessed is as certain a fact as anyone can ever possess.


    Those separated from the Church are not free from mortal sin however.  They are stained with the guilt of heresy, schism or apostasy.


    In order for schism, or heresy, or apostasy, to be grievous sins which separate one from the Church, they must be formal.

    Any Christian, at any given moment, is probably guilty of some material heresy, however obscure. But the good Christian, who has the fruits and gifts of the Holy Spirit, recants when corrected.

    Others refuse to recant.

    These fall into two categories:

    1). Protestants, and,

    2). Sedevacantists.

    The Protestant refuses to recant because he thinks in his pride that he understands Scripture so well that no one can tell him different.

    The Sedevacantist refuses to recant because he thinks in his pride that he understands the teachings of the Church so well that no one can tell him different.

    But the good Christian wages war against his pride and humbles himself before those prelates whom God has appointed to rule over him.
    Multiculturalism exchanges honest ignorance for the illusion of truth.


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    « Reply #35 on: January 03, 2010, 10:04:27 AM »
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    The Sedevacantist refuses to recant...


    Recant what?
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    « Reply #36 on: January 04, 2010, 06:02:10 AM »
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    The Sedevacantist refuses to recant...


    Recant what?


    His own heresy and schism.
    Multiculturalism exchanges honest ignorance for the illusion of truth.

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    « Reply #37 on: January 04, 2010, 08:12:15 PM »
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  • Pax you are are not serious are you? And Pax's avatar is one of the Three Stooges (Jews by the way) looking like (making fun of) a rabbi or orthodox Jew. Kind of like the false pope named Benedict XVI... looks as though he is a "Traditional Pontiff is his dress but his words betray him.


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    « Reply #38 on: January 06, 2010, 08:20:41 AM »
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    Pax you are are not serious are you?


    Gravely serious.

    Sedes are outside the Church.

    Just like Protestants.

    And they got there the same way.
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    « Reply #39 on: January 06, 2010, 08:34:13 AM »
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    Pax you are are not serious are you? And Pax's avatar is one of the Three Stooges (Jews by the way) looking like (making fun of) a rabbi or orthodox Jew. Kind of like the false pope named Benedict XVI... looks as though he is a "Traditional Pontiff is his dress but his words betray him.


    has he repented? dont know? likely not unless you are his confessor
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    « Reply #40 on: January 06, 2010, 08:35:29 AM »
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

     
    A Protestant, on being baptized, does not become a member of the Catholic Church.  


    true, they do not, so why baptize them........does it do anything for them?

    for record, do not accept Pax's baptism=salvation
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    « Reply #41 on: January 06, 2010, 10:31:13 AM »
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  • Has who repented? Benedict? His posistion would demand a public proclamation that he held false positions. He has led so many souls to think that his heretical teachings are correct that if he did repent it would be his duty as Pope to correct his error so that others are not guilty of holding these false opinions. He proclaims his errors loudly enough he would have to proclaim the truth just as loudly.

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    « Reply #42 on: January 06, 2010, 11:13:54 AM »
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

     
    A Protestant, on being baptized, does not become a member of the Catholic Church.  


    If they are an infant, then they are fully Catholic.


    According to whom?


    It's Catholic teaching. Baptism incorporates the Baptised into the Catholic Church, and no other.

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    « Reply #43 on: January 06, 2010, 11:15:26 AM »
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

     
    A Protestant, on being baptized, does not become a member of the Catholic Church.  


    true, they do not, so why baptize them........does it do anything for them?


    It imprints an indelible character on their soul. If the baptism is valid, that is.

    If it isn't, then it does nothing.

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    « Reply #44 on: January 06, 2010, 11:41:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
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    Anyone who is validly baptized (remission of Original Sin), and is free from mortal sin (only mortal sin can merit hell), is saved.

     
    A Protestant, on being baptized, does not become a member of the Catholic Church.  


    true, they do not, so why baptize them........does it do anything for them?

    for record, do not accept Pax's baptism=salvation


    Belloc is partly right. Baptism is not "Salvation". Baptism brings one into the Church in a pure state, and so if you die right then, you're saved, but "mortal sin" includes many behaviors and is a constant problem, and you are not saved if you die while in a state of mortal sin, which can include such apparently minor things as having missed Mass as well as such serious things as murder.

    Confession/Reconciliation is the sacrament that all Catholics must frequently receive after Baptism in order to remain in a state of Grace and keep our Salvation.