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You are not supposed to be a slave, but a son, and thus, an heir. A slave has no inheritance. But are you a slave to Pope Francis as a traditionalist who is not a sede?

I am a slave and a son of the Church. It is possible to be both; one in spritual inheritance and one in mindset.

Says you, and only you and you fool only yourself papa. C'mon now, let's talk about what Trent teaches about the sacrament of baptism.....

The Church condemns through Trent, whoever says the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation. Do you follow this or are you anathema?

The Church condemns through Trent, whoever says that without the sacraments, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God the grace of justification. Do you follow this or are you anathema?

Oh my look at that, more questions!....no matter, you cannot give answer anyway, perhaps there's an *honest* BODer lurking out there who will give answer.

Your user name suits you, Pope Stubborn I.

It certainly is, Stubborn. St. Alphonsus said it was de fide. Numerous Popes said Catholics may safely repeat any doctrine St. Alphonsus taught in the Moral Theology work where he said this.

I do not believe you agree with St. Alphonsus.

Knowing that a BOD is not a sacrament, the great saint said:

"The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary, inasmuch as they hold that man is justified by faith alone, and that the sacraments only serve to excite and nourish this faith, which (as the heretics say) can be equally excited and nourished by preaching.  But this is certainly false, and is condemned in the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth canons:  for as we know from the Scriptures, some of the sacraments are necessary (necessitate Medii) as a means without which salvation is impossible. Thus Baptism is necessary for all, Penance for them who have fallen into sin after Baptism, and the Eucharist is necessary for all at least in desire". -
From: (An Exposition and Defence of All the Points of Faith Discussed and Defined by the Sacred Council of Trent, Along With the Refutation of the Errors of the Pretended Reformers, Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Dublin, 1846.)

Am I right, do you disagree with him here?

I believe and confess, as Trent teaches that, the Grace of Justification cannot be obtained through faith alone, without the Sacraments or without the desire of them. The Desire of both Baptism and Confession justifies.

Sorry man, but this deserves a big How is it that BODers do not see that a BOD is justification by faith alone?

Trent says if anyone saith that men obtain justification without the desire for the sacrament, let him be anathema.
Trent NEVER says that *with* the desire, men obtain justification, only that without it there is no justification. Which means they purposely left the idea of justification via a desire up in the air. But they were quite clear on the necessity of the sacrament for salvation.

So BODers cannot say honestly, that Trent teaches such a thing as, "with a desire men are justified", and to say a BOD saves is a blatant misquote of Trent. BODers, if they are going to quote Trent, must do so honestly and can only say "without the desire, men are not justified" - which means what it says. What you said in bold is your own opinion shared by others, even other great saints - but that is *not* what the Church infallibly taught at Trent.

Which is to say the title of this thread should be changed to The Absurdity of the BODers