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Author Topic: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy  (Read 32436 times)

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2021, 08:20:03 PM »
So, what exactly do you believe? The baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas Aquinas or the baptism of desire of Abp. Lefebvre that saves the Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, etc ?
That Baptism of Desire/Blood only applies in the case of he who explicitly believes in the Catholic Faith like the Catechumen for example.

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 08:21:33 PM »
Are you Lover of Truth back again to repeat ad nauseum the same postings and learn nothing from being mad to look like a parrot?
No.


Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 08:37:22 PM »
That Baptism of Desire/Blood only applies in the case of he who explicitly believes in the Catholic Faith like the Catechumen for example.
Then we have nothing to debate about. So why are you then insulting believers in the strict EENS as it is written, by calling them Feeneyites and heretics? No strict EENSer is going to debate with you about such an unlikely event as God bringing a catechumen to the faith (without me you can do nothing) just to take his life before His grace has completed the undertaking. I am an EENSer and I only write on the subject of the false baptism of desire which teaches that Muslim, Hindus, Buddhist, Jew etc. can be saved. PERIOD. I suggest you do the same.

Unless, you are prepared to call St. Amrose, St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine  heretics?


Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 08:39:57 PM »
Unless, you are prepared to call St. Amrose, St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine  heretics?
St. Augustine, 391: “When we shall have come into His [God’s] sight, we shall behold the equity of God’s justice.  Then no one will say:… ‘Why was this man led by God’s direction to be baptized, while that man, though he lived properly as a catechumen, was killed in a sudden disaster, and was not baptized?’ Look for rewards, and you will find nothing except punishments.”

St. Augustine: “However much progress the catechumen should make, he still carries the load of his iniquity: nor is it removed from him unless he comes to Baptism.”

St. Augustine: “If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that ‘they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’ There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief.” (On the Soul and Its Origin 3, 13)

St. Ambrose, De mysteriis, 390-391 A.D.:

“You have read, therefore, that the three witnesses in Baptism are one: water, blood, and the spirit; and if you withdraw any one of these, the Sacrament of Baptism is not valid. For what is water without the cross of Christ? A common element without any sacramental effect. Nor on the other hand is there any mystery of regeneration without water: for ‘unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’ [John 3:5] Even a catechumen believes in the cross of the Lord Jesus, by which also he is signed; but, unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, he cannot receive the remission of sins nor be recipient of the gift of spiritual grace.”

St. Ambrose, The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D.:
“The Church was redeemed at the price of Christ’s blood. Jew or Greek, it makes no difference; but if he has believed he must circuмcise himself from his sins so that he can be saved;...for no one ascends into the kingdom of heaven except through the Sacrament of Baptism.”


St. Ambrose, The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D.:
“Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’ No one excepted: not the infant, not the one prevented by some necessity.”

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2021, 08:50:00 PM »
St. Amrose, St. John Chrysostom, and St. Augustine are not heretics in any way, shape or form regardless of their personal belief on EENS.

What makes Feeneyites heretics however is their belief that the Church has definitely and magisterially taught explicit heresy via encyclicals, council, catechism and canon law. Moreover their belief that those who do not hold their interpretation of EENS are heretics and those who do not hold them to be heretics are also heretics makes the Feeneyites both schismatics and heretics.