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Offline Papa Pius V

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2021, 11:42:26 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on February 04, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
You are the one who says salvation can be obtained via desire for the sacrament - but I left Catholicism for saying, with Trent, that the sacraments are necessary for salvation and that without the desire for the sacrament there is no justification? :facepalm:

You have established that you will not answer simple questions because doing so would prove you either wrong or a liar, but please, do explain your above comment.

Please note, Trent does not even teach that the sacrament of baptism will save anyone, only that it is necessary for salvation. Did you know that? Well, you know that now.
You must be unable to understand English and/or have serious issues in reading comprehension.
You are interpreting Trent whether you want to admit to it or not. You thereby are automatically excommunicated and therefore a schismatic on top of being a heretic for rejecting BOD & BOB.
I will not discuss Trent with you as I said over and over again.
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Offline Papa Pius V

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2021, 11:43:27 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on February 04, 2021, 11:40:19 AM
No, it's not. If you say that, without the sacraments, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification, I will let you be anathema as Trent directs.
Yes it is. And you are a schismatic heretic for rejecting it and interpreting Trent like your brothers in faithlessness the Dimond Bros.
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Offline clement21

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2021, 11:46:13 AM »
Regarding desire mentioned in the Council of Trent, the book, Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent , is the actual Council of Trent - not a catechism based on it - but rather the actual written decrees, the actual record.

- Original text with English translation by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., from Refuge of Sinners Publishing

It explains that "baptism of desire" takes effect at the pouring of the water - at the sacrament itself.

Priest:  "N., do you wish to be baptized?"

N.:  "I do"

(or the Godparents for an infant)

- the catechumen has to indicate the will or wish to be baptized, then the sacrament's form and matter follow.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2021, 11:50:39 AM »
Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
You must be unable to understand English and/or have serious issues in reading comprehension.
You are interpreting Trent whether you want to admit to it or not. You thereby are automatically excommunicated and therefore a schismatic on top of being a heretic for rejecting BOD & BOB.
I will not discuss Trent with you as I said over and over again.
You are discussing a BOD, whatever that is, not Trent anyway. BODers necessarily MUST reject Trent, you are no different because you are a BODer.

So why not simply give in and show us all your theological brilliance by actually answering the questions I asked. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2021, 11:52:10 AM »
Quote from: clement21 on February 04, 2021, 11:46:13 AM
Regarding desire mentioned in the Council of Trent, the book, Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent , is the actual Council of Trent - not a catechism based on it - but rather the actual written decrees, the actual record.

- Original text with English translation by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., from Refuge of Sinners Publishing

It explains that "baptism of desire" takes effect at the pouring of the water - at the sacrament itself.

Priest:  "N., do you wish to be baptized?"

N.:  "I do"

(or the Godparents for an infant)

- the catechumen has to indicate the will or wish to be baptized, then the sacrament's form and matter follow.
If there is such a thing as a BOD, this^^ is it.
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