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Author Topic: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy  (Read 32253 times)

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #320 on: February 18, 2021, 11:09:37 AM »
The modernists sophists twist language in their minds to work their way around dogmas and teach their errors, while appearing to be totally orthodox.Until Xaviersem answers that he rejects the examples of salvation by implicit faith that I posted, we have no clue what he believes. So what is the point of debating about the harmless baptism of desire of the catechumen with someone who believes that non-Catholics can be saved by their implicit belief in Jesus Christ which is implicit in their belief in a god that rewards?

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #321 on: February 18, 2021, 11:19:42 AM »
AND FOR MR. LAST TRADHICAN - NO ONE, I REPEAT NO ONE, is saved without EXPLICIT FAITH in JESUS CHRIST in the NT. Period.
Why does the writer copy and paste reams of material but yet does not answer yes or no to my simple question: "Do you reject these examples of salvation by implicit faith?"

A simple yes or no will suffice. Yes, I reject them. No, I do not reject them. Which is it?


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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #322 on: February 18, 2021, 11:24:54 AM »
Xavier, of his own volition, posted this:


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Preparatory:  "...this translation, since the promulgation of the gospel, is effected by the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof..."
Final:  "...This translation, since the promulgation of the gospel, cannot be effected without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof..."

How is it possible that he still does not get it?

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #323 on: February 18, 2021, 11:34:25 AM »
All the copy and paste material from Xaviersem has been answered years ago ad-nauseum, it is old material. Been there seen that and answered it more than enough times. Today, I only look at the big picture, what does the person believe? I have spelled out what I believe, and I do not care if someone else wants to believe otherwise, at least after I have explained my position simply. Why do people like XavierSem and Lover of Truth (his predecessor, who wrote 10x what Xaviersem has and was totally refuted in every detail) feel obligated to create hundreds of threads about the ways that non-Catholics can be saved? After many years at this I have concluded that they feel rebuked in their real belief that anyone can be saved by God in the last seconds when He appears to them. I have never seen a strict Thomist post about his harmless belief that a catechumen can be saved by BOD. It is always the false BODers, fake Thomists, that start and proliferate these never ending  threads.

 

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #324 on: February 18, 2021, 11:56:37 AM »
Last Tradhican doesn't get it. God has seen fit to save souls this way, so it obviously is important to Him. We should pray and work for souls to be converted and saved, and know that God may do that, even in the last moments, in ways unknown to us. St. Augustine, whom Last Trad loves to quote, himself taught "Baptism is administered invisibly to one whom not contempt of religion but death excludes". Both sides claim this for themselves, but it is clear God can work in ways invisible to us. We cannot presume on it, but we can and even must pray and hope for it, as St. John Vianney, St. Padre Pio etc said we should as mentioned on the other thread. These were great and heroic Saints who spent their whole lifetime in prayer and sacrifice for souls, and I will take their word over yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Baptism of Desire can save souls, and all who were saved embraced the Faith before their death.

I am not going to repeat myself a 101st time for someone who doesn't want to hear. I believe exactly what St. Alphonsus believed.