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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #250 on: February 11, 2021, 06:29:29 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on February 11, 2021, 05:41:13 AM
Benedictus Deus condemns your interpretation, which you keep trying to pass off as the Church's Teaching:
You spread enough manure to fertilize Nebraska.

I asked you to explain how "my interpretation" is false, not post Benedictus Deus which condemns your interpretation. REMEMBER, I am not interpreting Trent, I am reading what it says, you are the one misinterpreting Trent.

Now explain explain how my "interpretation" is false. Use your own words, and explain what the words Trent says means to you.

If you can''t do that, then get anyone of your BOD disciples to do it, otherwise, you are guilty of making  false accusations.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #251 on: February 11, 2021, 07:28:22 AM »
St. Alphonsus and St. Robert Bellarmine wrote thousands of pages of material, often disagreeing with one another.

To imply that all Catholics have to agree with everything they wrote is absurd.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #252 on: February 11, 2021, 08:57:05 AM »

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Byzcat said:
So the Church "just went with" this for eight centuries, basically. Like even if originally it was based on not knowing Augustine retracted, still seems strange that God would allow a lie to basically go unchallenged for that long.

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Ladislaus said:
This notion that no theological errors can ever become widely adopted by Catholics is absurd.

Who says that BOD was unchallenged for 800 years?  Who said it was "widely adopted"?  Did 95% of catholics in this 800 period accept BOD?  There's no evidence for this.  It's only written about by THEOLOGIANS, which is their job, to discuss debated topics.  The avg catholic wasn't writing books then, only the educated were doing this, which is why we only have theological opinions discussing it.  Even if 100% of theologians agree with something, that still doesn't make it "widely adopted".
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #253 on: February 11, 2021, 09:01:24 AM »
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I hold that: Baptism of Desire derives from Baptism of Blood

:laugh1:  Xavier quotes saints/doctors ad nauseam, then invents his own version.  
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No two pro-BOD people explain/understand it the same way.  A logical proof that it's not true.  A truth is widely understood and clearly articulated in the same way, by everyone.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #254 on: February 11, 2021, 10:16:16 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 11, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
:laugh1:  Xavier quotes saints/doctors ad nauseam, then invents his own version.  
That is the standard operating procedure of false BODers of which he is a perfect example. There is not one Father, Doctor, Saint, Pope, Council that taught what he believes, moreover the sources he quotes all oppose what he believes in his own words - "God can provide the Sacrament wherever and whenever He chooses. And He can also provide forgiveness through Perfect Contrition wherever and whenever He chooses", in other words, that the sacraments and the Church are not necessary (see his exact quote below).

I believe that type of person is feelings oriented, artsy type, that does not possess the ability to build a structure. Does not possess the ability to see the relationships among the modules of a system that give rise to a whole that cannot be understood by analyzing its constituent parts. To put it simply, if his teaching were a building you could see and touch, it would be magical windows floating in the air, with no foundations and no building.

I am always surprised that the Strict-EENSers lose their time debating the examples that people like Xavier bring forward, instead of just pointing out that the examples have NOTHING to do with what he believes. The discussion with him and I would have lasted not even one page and he would have gone away, like always. To each his own. (I do however, congratulate all the strict EENSers on their patience with Xavier and his types.)

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Quote from: XavierSem on February 09, 2021, 11:01:09 AM
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God can provide the Sacrament wherever and whenever He chooses. And He does. And He can also provide forgiveness through Perfect Contrition wherever and whenever He chooses. And He does. The Church has spoken. The case is closed. Baptism of Desire exists.

Last Tradhican responded - Unwittingly, the writer finally clearly reveals his real belief which is that "God can provide the Sacrament wherever and whenever He chooses. And He can also provide forgiveness through Perfect Contrition wherever and whenever He chooses", that the sacraments and the Church are not necessary. That is the foundational pillar of Implicit Faith'ers, but it is not taught by any saint or pope or council. That false "doctrine" is at the root of all the errors of Vatican II. That is how they rationalize their end run around all the saints, doctors, councils, popes, to teach that Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jҽωs, indeed, that people in any religions can be saved.  
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