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Offline Incredulous

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #160 on: February 08, 2021, 01:24:26 PM »



At the end of every Tridentine Mass, BOD/BOB and Salvation outside the Catholic Church are destroyed by the Last Gospel of St. John.




(St. John 1.1-14)


 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him: and without Him was made nothing that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the Light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
 
 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the Light, that all men might believe through Him. He was not the Light, but was to give testimony of the Light. That was the true Light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.
 
 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him, He gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in His name. Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (here all kneel)
  
AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US,
  
and we saw His glory, the glory as it were of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

Thanks be to God. 

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Offline Carissima

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #161 on: February 08, 2021, 02:54:53 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 08, 2021, 08:12:48 AM
Right, very few believe that one must be Catholic in order to be saved, thinking that Buddhists in Tibet and Muslims can be saved somehow (+Lefebvre and +Fellay even) ... so going well beyond the Thomistic understanding of BoD.
This is why BOD and BOB are so dangerous to begin with. The floodgates have been opened to all sorts of errors and heresies regarding Sacramental Baptism, because some people insist on teaching that it is necessary to believe in an ‘invisible sacrament’, when Sacraments are meant to be outward signs of grace. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #162 on: February 08, 2021, 03:15:42 PM »
Quote from: Carissima on February 08, 2021, 02:54:53 PM
This is why BOD and BOB are so dangerous to begin with. The floodgates have been opened to all sorts of errors and heresies regarding Sacramental Baptism, because some people insist on teaching that it is necessary to believe in an ‘invisible sacrament’, when Sacraments are meant to be outward signs of grace.

Yes, it's incredibly dangerous.  While BoD CAN be understood in such a way as not to undermine Traditional Catholic ecclesiology, understanding the Church as a Visible Society, and while maintaining the necessity of the Sacrament of Baptism, it is RARELY articulated in a manner that does not implicitly deny these dogmas.  90% of those who believe in BoD aren't interested in the rare case of a catechumen who dies before Baptism, but use it as a weapon to undermine EENS dogma.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #163 on: February 08, 2021, 07:01:23 PM »
Doing away with the necessity of baptism is bad, but doing away with the necessity of Christ is just too much:

"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same HATH NOT the Father . . ."

1 John 2:23

So much for the "other great Monotheistic religions."
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Offline Carissima

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #164 on: February 08, 2021, 07:16:19 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 08, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
90% of those who believe in BoD aren't interested in the rare case of a catechumen who dies before Baptism, but use it as a weapon to undermine EENS dogma.
But see those who are opening the door to the possibility of that One Catechumen supposedly dying without the Sacrament of Baptism (but still obtaining Salvation) this would then lead automatically to the idea that anyone could potentially skip past the Visible Sacrament, because there’s an invisible option available too. 
It’s opening the door to these exceptions that is causing the problem in the first place. Like when the smoke of Satan entered into the Vatican.

As far as BOB is concerned, say in the case of St Emerentiana. We need to maintain the importance of Sacramental Baptism, so it would make more sense then to believe that Emerentiana did in fact receive Water Baptism at some point before her death, and not to assume she died without it. 
Again, it’s all about maintaining the absolute necessity of Baptism by Water and The Holy Ghost, as Christ and The Church has always taught us. 
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