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Author Topic: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy  (Read 32323 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #145 on: February 06, 2021, 05:58:51 PM »
I’d venture guess that, after many years of debate on various topics, that most people born post WW2 are “invincibly ignorant”.  The lack of reading comprehension alone proves this.  PiusV is a perfect example of one who is unable to comprehend sentences with multiple phrases and long paragraphs.  It must be fluoride water, too much aluminum, etc.  

Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #146 on: February 06, 2021, 09:48:40 PM »
Its probably asbestos.
We live in the society where 10-20% can produce all the food and necessary services for survival. Most other jobs are a distribution and management. The rest is a consumer who lives off a printed money.
This perspective is mentally devastating.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyites
« Reply #147 on: February 07, 2021, 09:17:55 AM »
Come on, Stubborn. I think you don't even believe that. You are not understanding the words based on their exterior meaning, but rather engaging in ideological interpretation a priori via your beliefs. Even if I were a non-Catholic who couldn't care less what EENS's interpretation is and I was reading Blessed Pius IX's words there is no way I would come to your conclusion.
Then, you must be a non-Catholic who couldn't care less about dogma.

I've known a few of who Pius IX speaks of, i.e. whose ignorance was beyond their control.

One was only 2 years old at the time, now I think he's in his mid 20s. As a baby he was in the hospital for some virus and received some overdose that ended up going to his brain, making the baby all but a vegetable, still is today. Another was my own father who died with alzheimers. These  are only two examples of people I knew personally who were in ignorance beyond their control, hopefully you get the picture of what he meant by "ignorance beyond his control".

What the pope said was not a clause, there is no clause in dogma, nor is Pius IX implying any such thing. If an insane person dies outside of the Church, that person has no "hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control."

Now you can hypothesize and theorize whatever far out scenarios you want to hallucinate about this, but whatever you come up with will never change or expose any clause in the thrice defined dogma. That's how dogma's work.  



Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #148 on: February 07, 2021, 11:17:53 AM »
What a stupid response.

What is Calvinism but hyper-Augustinianism?

St. Augustine's theology is not infallible as clearly seen by the Church's condemnation of both Calvinism and Jansenism, both of which are deeply Augustinian, more than the Catholic Church I might add.
Oh my gosh this is stupid.... I'm a former Calvinist, and you don't know anything about Calvinism lol

Augustine was nowhere near Calvinist.  

The most you could *maybe* accuse him of is holding to double predestination, which I'm definitely not sure of, which would be "proto-Jansenism" with the caveat that if he was corrected by the Church he'd submit.

But its nowhere near Calvinism which has a *ton* of other baggage associated with it.  Denial of the sacraments, denial of the intercession of the saints, etc.

I wasn't gonna weigh in on the Feneey debate 'cause I'm not an expert on it (though I have commented before) but this was just too obvious a mistake and I had to comment.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyites
« Reply #149 on: February 07, 2021, 11:20:35 AM »
I can't take you seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Well, then it can only be as you say, you must be a non-Catholic who, like all non-Catholics, couldn't care less about dogma.