*Note that I do not believe in the Cushingite heresy either. Both Feeneyism & Cushingism are heresies.
Baptism of Desire & Blood should be understood per the Church Fathers, Thomism, encyclicals, and Holy Councils.


The Feeneyite believes Baptism of Desire and Blood is heresy against the definitions of the Council of Trent. Therefore, the Feeneyite most hold to the following 21 absurdities:

1. The Catholic Church has been promulgating heresy by catechism for 464 years from the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

2. The Catholic Church has been promulgating heresy by Canon law for over 100 years.

3. The Catholic Church allows heresy to be taught throughout the whole Church for hundreds of years.

4. The Catholic Church is no different from Protestantism as far as having heresy.

5. Protestant and Eastern Orthodox religions are false religions because they teach heresy, but the Catholic Church remains the true religion when it teaches heresy by law and catechism.

6. Pope St. Pius V of the Council of Trent is also the pope to promulgate heresy against the same council.

7. All the popes and saints that taught Baptism of Desire and Blood after Trent were ignorant of the council’s dogma.

8. Pope Clement XIII didn’t know the Roman Catechism taught Baptism of Desire.

9. Pope Pius IX was ignorant of the council’s teaching.

10. Pope St. Pius X was ignorant of the council’s teaching.

11. Pope St. Pius X allowed a heretical catechism to be promulgated in Italy in his name.

12. Pope St. Pius X didn’t know baptism of desire was being promulgated in his name.

13. Pope Benedict XV was ignorant of the council’s teaching.

14. St. and Doctor of the Church Alphonsus Liguori didn’t understand the council’s teaching on Baptism and interpreted Trent to mean exactly opposite to its true meaning.

15. St. Charles Borromeo handpicked by the pope to explain Trent didn’t truly understand Trent.

16. St. and Doctor of the Church Robert Bellarmine didn’t understand the council’s teaching on Baptism.

17. All the popes and saints who teach Baptism of Desire and Blood reject Jesus’ true meaning in John 3:5.

18. The Old Testament made it safer and easier to get to heaven than the New Testament.

19. War broke out to prevent the First Vatican Council of defining the heresy of Baptism of Desire even though it is believed by the whole Church anyway.

20. Every layman that believes in Baptism of Desire and Blood is a heretic, but all the popes, saints, and doctors of the Church that do are not heretics. Only popes, saints, and doctors of the Church get to profess heresy without being actual heretics.

21. Defenders of Baptism of Desire and Blood using the teachings of popes, catechisms, canon law, saints, and doctors of the Church are bad-willed.

The Feeneyite believes Baptism of Desire and Blood is heresy against the definitions of the Council of Trent. Therefore, the Feeneyite most hold to the following 21 absurdities:

This is a straw man, and you discredit your entire post.  Feeneyites do NOT hold that BoB and BoD as held by the various Church Doctors is heretical.  That is the Dimondite position.  Please get your facts straight before pontificating like this.

Are you Lover of Truth back again to repeat ad nauseum the same postings and learn nothing from being mad to look like a parrot?

No.

Unless, you are prepared to call St. Amrose, St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine  heretics?

St. Augustine, 391: “When we shall have come into His [God’s] sight, we shall behold the equity of God’s justice.  Then no one will say:… ‘Why was this man led by God’s direction to be baptized, while that man, though he lived properly as a catechumen, was killed in a sudden disaster, and was not baptized?’ Look for rewards, and you will find nothing except punishments.”

St. Augustine: “However much progress the catechumen should make, he still carries the load of his iniquity: nor is it removed from him unless he comes to Baptism.”

St. Augustine: “If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that ‘they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’ There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief.” (On the Soul and Its Origin 3, 13)

St. Ambrose, De mysteriis, 390-391 A.D.:

“You have read, therefore, that the three witnesses in Baptism are one: water, blood, and the spirit; and if you withdraw any one of these, the Sacrament of Baptism is not valid. For what is water without the cross of Christ? A common element without any sacramental effect. Nor on the other hand is there any mystery of regeneration without water: for ‘unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’ [John 3:5] Even a catechumen believes in the cross of the Lord Jesus, by which also he is signed; but, unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, he cannot receive the remission of sins nor be recipient of the gift of spiritual grace.”

St. Ambrose, The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D.:
“The Church was redeemed at the price of Christ’s blood. Jew or Greek, it makes no difference; but if he has believed he must circuмcise himself from his sins so that he can be saved;...for no one ascends into the kingdom of heaven except through the Sacrament of Baptism.”


St. Ambrose, The Duties of Clergy, 391 A.D.:
“Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’ No one excepted: not the infant, not the one prevented by some necessity.”

St. Amrose, St. John Chrysostom, and St. Augustine are not heretics in any way, shape or form regardless of their personal belief on EENS.

What makes Feeneyites heretics however is their belief that the Church has definitely and magisterially taught explicit heresy via encyclicals, council, catechism and canon law. Moreover their belief that those who do not hold their interpretation of EENS are heretics and those who do not hold them to be heretics are also heretics makes the Feeneyites both schismatics and heretics.

Sounds like you are as much of a dogmatist as they are. Good luck with that!

Looky what we got here, another newbie know-it-all with 18 posts in his first 5 hours of membership.

Looky what we got here, another hypocritical condescending Ad hominem pompus elitist newbie that bases his/her misplaced pride on shallow hollowness.

Looky what we got here, another hypocritical condescending Ad hominem pompus elitist newbie that bases his/her misplaced pride on shallow hollowness.

What we have in clement21 and Papa Pius is the psychological defective formerly known as Croix.