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The 1917 Code of Canon Law
« on: July 27, 2016, 07:16:49 PM »
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  • THE 1917 CODE OF CANON LAW

    OBJECTION- The 1917 Code of Canon Law gives Christian Burial to unbaptized catechumens and teaches baptism of desire.

    ANSWER- As we’ve pointed out before, the 1917 Code of Canon Law is not infallible. The 1917 Code was definitely not an ex cathedra (from the Chair of Peter) pronouncement because it does not bind the whole Church, but only the Latin Church (not the Eastern Rites), as stipulated in Canon 1 of the 1917 Code.

    Canon 1, 1917 Code of Canon Law: “Although in the Code of canon law the discipline of the Oriental Church is frequently referenced, nevertheless, this [Code] applies only to the Latin Church and does not bind the Oriental, unless it treats of things that, by their nature, apply to the Oriental.”

    A pope speaks infallibly from the Chair of Peter when his teaching on faith or morals binds the entire Church, which the 1917 Code doesn’t:

    Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, 1870, Session 4, Chap. 4:
    “…the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra [from the Chair of Peter], that is, when carrying out the duty of the pastor and teacher of all Christians in accord with his supreme apostolic authority he explains a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the universal Church... operates with that infallibility.

    Thus, the 1917 Code’s proposition in canon 737 that Baptism is necessary “at least in desire” for salvation is not binding on the universal Church or protected by infallibility. Regarding its law in canon 1239, that unbaptized catechumens can be given Christian burial, this contradicts the entire Tradition of the Catholic Church for 1900 years on whether unbaptized persons can be given Christian burial.
     
    Canon 1239, 1917 Code: “1. Those who die without baptism are not to be accorded ecclesiastical burial. 2. Catechumens who through no fault of their own die without baptism are to be reckoned as baptized.

    Since the time of Jesus Christ and throughout all of history, the Catholic Church universally refused ecclesiastical burial to catechumens who died without the Sacrament of Baptism, as The Catholic Encyclopedia admits:

    The Catholic Encyclopedia, “Baptism,” Volume 2, 1907: “A certain statement in the funeral oration of St. Ambrose over the Emperor Valentinian II has been brought forward as a proof that the Church offered sacrifices and prayers for catechumens who died before baptism. There is not a vestige of such a custom to be found anywhere… The practice of the Church is more correctly shown in the canon (xvii) of the Second Council of Braga (572 AD): ‘Neither the commemoration of Sacrifice [oblationis] nor the service of chanting [psallendi] is to be employed for catechumens who have died without Baptism

    This is the law of the Catholic Church since the beginning and throughout all of history. So, since this issue is tied to the Faith and not merely disciplinary, either the Catholic Church was wrong since the time of Christ for refusing ecclesiastical burial for catechumens who died without baptism or the 1917 Code is wrong for granting it to them.

    It is either one or the other, because the 1917 Code directly contradicts the Traditional and constant law of the Catholic Church for nineteen centuries on this point which is tied to the Faith. The answer is, obviously, that the 1917 Code is wrong and not infallible, and the Catholic Church’s law for all of history refusing ecclesiastical burial to catechumens is right. In fact, it is interesting to note that the Latin version of the 1917 Code contains many footnotes to traditional popes, councils, etc. to show from where certain canons were derived.
    Canon 1239.2 on giving ecclesiastical burial to unbaptized catechumens has no footnote, not to any pope, previous law or council, simply because there is nothing in Tradition which supports it!

    The Catholic Encyclopedia (1907) quotes an interesting decree from Pope Innocent III wherein he commented on the traditional, universal and constant law of the Catholic Church from the beginning which refused ecclesiastical burial to all who died without the Sacrament of Baptism.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia, “Baptism,” Volume 2, 1907: “The reason of this regulation [forbidding ecclesiastical burial to all unbaptized persons] is given by Pope Innocent III (Decr., III, XXVIII, xii): ‘It has been decreed by the sacred canons that we are to have no communion with those who are dead, if we have not communicated with them while alive.’

    The 1917 Code is not infallible Church discipline either, as proven by the fact that it contains a law which directly contradicts the infallible discipline of the Church since the beginning on a point tied to the Faith. The actual Bull promulgating the 1917 Code, Providentissima Mater Ecclesia, was not signed by Benedict XV, but by Cardinal Gasparri and Cardinal De Azevedo. Cardinal Gasparri, the Secretary of State, was the main author and compiler of the canons. Some theologians would argue that only disciplines which bind the whole Church – unlike the 1917 Code – are protected by the infallibility of the governing authority of the Church, an argument which seems to be supported in the following teaching of Pope Pius XII.
     
    Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi(# 66), June 29, 1943:
    “Certainly the loving Mother is spotless in the Sacraments, by which she gives birth to and nourishes her children; in the faith which she has always preserved inviolate; in her sacred laws imposed upon all; in the evangelical counsels which she recommends; in those heavenly gifts and extraordinary graces through which, with inexhaustible fecundity, she generates hosts of martyrs, virgins, and confessors.

    This would mean that a disciplinary law is not a law of the “Catholic” (i.e. universal) Church unless it binds the universal Church. Regardless, the 1917 Code doesn’t enjoy infallibility. This is further proven by the following canons.
    1) The 1917 Code teaches that heretics can be in good faith.

    Canon 731.2, 1917 Code: “It is forbidden that the Sacraments of the Church be ministered to heretics and schismatics, even if they ask for them and are in good faith, unless beforehand, rejecting their errors, they are reconciled with the Church.”
    A heretic, by infallible definition, is of bad faith and brings down upon his head eternal punishment.
    Pope St. Celestine I, Council of Ephesus, 431:
    "... all heretics corrupt the true expressions of the Holy Spirit with their own evil minds and they draw down on their own heads an inextinguishable flame.
     
    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives…

    Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio (# 2), May 27, 1832: “Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.

    A person in good faith who is erring innocently about a dogma (loosely and improperly called a “material heretic” in theological discussions) is not a heretic, but a Catholic erring in good faith. So the statement in the 1917 Code about heretics and schismatics in good faith is definitely theologically erroneous and it proves that it was not protected by infallibility.

    2) The 1917 Code teaches that Catholics may be present at non-Catholic forms of worship, including non-Catholic weddings and non-Catholic funerals!

    Canon 1258, 1917 Code: “1. It is not licit for the faithful by any manner to assist actively or to have a part in the sacred [rites] of non-Catholics. 2. Passive or merely material presence can be tolerated for the sake of honor or civil office, for grave reason approved by the Bishop in case of doubt, at the funerals, weddings, and similar solemnities of non-Catholics, provided danger of scandal is absent.”

    Note: this canon is not talking about Catholic Masses or Catholic worship presided over by a heretic, but non-Catholic or non-Christian (false) worship and rites. This is outrageous! This canon allows one to travel to and attend a Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυє or a Buddhist Temple or a Lutheran Service, etc., etc., etc. for the wedding or funeral of infidels or heretics – just as long as one doesn’t actively participate!


    This is ridiculous, for to go out of his way to be present at such non-Catholic services where false worship is conducted (for the sake of honoring or pleasing the person involved in it) is a scandal in itself. It is to honor a person who is sinning against the First Commandment. To go to the funeral of a non-Catholic is to imply that there was some hope for him for salvation outside the Church; and to attend the wedding of a non-Catholic is to imply that God condones his or her marriage outside the Church.

     A Catholic can neither take part actively in false worship nor go out of one’s way to travel to the false worship or the non-Catholic ceremony to honor it with his “passive” presence. Hence, this canon also proves that this code is not infallible.

    The 1917 Code contradicts the immemorial Tradition of the Church on ecclesiastical burial and it holds no weight for a moment against the infallible declaration of the Chair of St. Peter (binding the entire Church) that no one can enter heaven without the Sacrament of Baptism.


    Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra:

    “If anyone says that baptism [the sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.”


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    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 07:28:52 PM »
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  • I guess Pope Benedict XV was really an antipope then. And Pope Pius XI was also an antipope for betraying the Cristeros. No true Pope could do that.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 08:23:08 PM »
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    I guess Pope Benedict XV was really an antipope then. And Pope Pius XI was also an antipope for betraying the Cristeros. No true Pope could do that.

    Explain?

    Which part of my post do you want me to explain? Let me know and I will.
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    The 1917 Code of Canon Law
    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2016, 09:04:20 PM »
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    I guess Pope Benedict XV was really an antipope then. And Pope Pius XI was also an antipope for betraying the Cristeros. No true Pope could do that.

    Explain?

    Which part of my post do you want me to explain? Let me know and I will.

    The part where you said that Pope Benedict XV and Pius XI are antipopes because they betrayed the Cristeros. What they did and how it applies to the article OP provided.
    No ulterior motive. Just interested. (Doesn't mean I won't comment on it though)

    To explain the first sentence, if I were a sedevacantist and I thought the laws of Pope Benedict XV were evil I would come to the conclusion that a true Pope could not impose evil laws on the Church so he must be an antipope.
    The second part of my post was actually a joke and it doesn't really apply to the OP, because I do not believe Pope Pius XI was an antipope, but I should elaborate. This is how I understand this issue. I am not an expert so I may be mistaken. I was referring to the war between the Catholic soldiers and the Godless Mexican government. The Godless government passed many anti-Catholic laws in Mexico. As a result of this persecution, good Catholics rebelled against the government and a war broke out. The Catholic side was called the Cristeros. They could have won the war and installed a Catholic government in Mexico, but Pope Pius XI intervened. He told the Cristeros to lay down their arms and make a deal with the Godless government. So they surrendered, ending any chance of having a Catholic government in Mexico. After the Cristeros surrendered the Godless government broke all of its promises and killed many of the Cristeros who had rebelled and continued the persecution of the Church and the Church after the war was submissive to the government. I thought it was a mistake for Pope Pius XI to tell the Cristeros to surrender and it ended all hope of Mexico becoming a Catholic state and it lead to the deaths of so many good Catholics at the hands of the treacherous Masonic government. I welcome any criticism of my post because I am ignorant and I may be wrong about what I have said.

    My information about this controversial topic comes from reading about it on the internet and from reading most recently the book by Mary Ball Martinez called "The Undermining of the Catholic Church" If what is in these sources and this book are not true then I am wrong and was deceived by untrustworthy sources so forgive me if you think I was wrong to criticize the Pope for his decision.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 27, 2016, 10:32:27 PM »
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    First, it's not prudent to joke about a Pope being an antipope.

    It may have been imprudent. Forgive me. It came to me then as I was posting though it might not have been relevant.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2016, 10:39:10 PM »
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    I very much appreciate the humility. I have made and will make many mistakes.
    Not my place to forgive you though.

    Yes. I make mistakes every day and I go to confession frequently because of my mistakes.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 27, 2016, 11:50:30 PM »
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    The article says that Code was written mostly by a Cardinal, not the Pope. There are no footnotes or references given for the cannos on BOD, citing a Magisterial source.


    These statements are simply wrong.  I might recommend a review of the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Canon Law.

    http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Canon_Law/index.html
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    « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2016, 09:27:35 AM »
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    I guess Pope Benedict XV was really an antipope then. And Pope Pius XI was also an antipope for betraying the Cristeros. No true Pope could do that.


    I got your joke right away.

    Seriously and as you know Pius XI regretted what happened.  He did not intend that to happen.  He trusted the Mexican leader.  America also helped mess things up for the Catholics there.  You know, because of oil and stuff.  

    Anyone who has a beginners understanding of the Papacy knows that a valid Pope cannot give us canon law that contradicts doctrine.  

    For instance something crazy like allowing non-Catholics to receive the Eucharist.  :jester:
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #8 on: July 28, 2016, 09:39:46 AM »
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  • Code of Canon Law isn't exempt from infallibility just because it only binds the Latin Church (see theologians on what constitutes the "Universal Church" vis-a-vis infallibility).

    Nevertheless, the Code is disciplinary in nature and not doctrinal or Magisterial.

    Infallibility protects universal discipline in so far as the Church can never impose a practice or even allow a practice that would be harmful to souls.

    In the pastoral context of a funeral, the Church allows for the hope that a catechumen who died before having received the Sacrament of Baptism in actu might have been saved by having received it in voto.  So the Church simply allows for the possibility in a pastoral context.  In the past, the Church's discipline was different and the presumption was that catechumens who died without having received the Sacrament in actu were lost.  There's no contradiction because we are not talking about doctrinal statements but of presumptions and possibilities.  So, for instance, the Church forbids funerals for ѕυιcιdєs.  But that doesn't rule out the possibility that such a one might have been saved.  If the Church were to permit funerals for ѕυιcιdєs, that doesn't mean that they were saved but simply allows for the possibility that they could have been.  This does not involve contradiction but a change in presumption and a change in pastoral practice.

    It's clear that the Church has long tolerated Baptism of Desire as a possible opinion, and the Code does nothing more than to allow this possibility to be applied in a pastoral context.  In addition, the funeral rite is a rite of Christian burial, and in the early Church catechumens were considered "Christian"; they went through a formal ceremony where the sign of the cross was made on them.  So as Christians they can be prayed for at death publicly without scandal.

    Nothing Magisterial can be read into the Code of Canon Law in this case.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 28, 2016, 11:09:44 AM »
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  • The Church of Ladislaus strikes again.

    Canon Law will not contradict doctrine.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #10 on: July 28, 2016, 12:19:50 PM »
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    The Church of Ladislaus strikes again.

    Canon Law will not contradict doctrine.  


    Coming from the incredible hypocrite who dismisses Holy Office statements as "norms for practice" rather than being doctrinal.

    You once again demonstrate yourself to be of bad will and mentally retraded.  I never said that Canon Law contradicts doctrine just that there's some latitude in pastoral application when it comes to matters which involve presumptions and possibilities.  Canon Law does not define doctrine and is not Magisterial in nature.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 28, 2016, 12:20:57 PM »
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  • Whose the little crybaby.  Now, now.  Don't be a bad little crybaby.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #12 on: July 28, 2016, 12:27:37 PM »
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    Whose the little crybaby.  Now, now.  Don't be a bad little crybaby.  


    Nobody's crying except you, reprobate heretic.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 28, 2016, 12:29:02 PM »
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  • I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to stand in the corner for fifteen minutes.  Not a peep.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church