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Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2021, 05:10:00 PM »
I believe I've been disabled from making posts, so I'm gonna hijack this thread too (admittedly for a far less important purpose than 2Vermont's) to ask a question: who are some saints who can help you get out of despondency?

St. Jean Vianney and Padre Pio both being mentioned in this thread reminded me of this, since they're both priests who were joyful and light, as well as profoundly lovable men who gave simple advice and who have helped millions. Plus, I figure it's more pleasant than another BoD thread where certain pro-BoDers passive aggressively attack everyone else. :P

God Bless you all! And 2Vermont, your mother will be in my prayers too!
It turns out that General Discussion was just closed, and I can make a new topic elsewhere- my mistake! I'll still leave this question here though. 

Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2021, 07:05:25 PM »
Last Tradhican asks for third time:
I didn’t ask you what you agree with, I asked you : all I need to know is just if you reject these examples of salvation by implicit faith below , very simple, yes or no?

 
 Do you reject these examples of salvation by implicit faith, the teaching that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards?
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 From the book  Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:
 
 1. Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”
 
 2.Page 217: “One cannot say, then, that no one is saved in these religions…”
 
 Pages 217-218: “This is then what Pius IX said and what he condemned.  It is necessary to understand the formulation that was so often employed by the Fathers of the Church:  ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’  When we say that, it is incorrectly believed that we think that all the Protestants, all the Moslems, all the Buddhists, all those who do not publicly belong to the Catholic Church go to hell.  Now, I repeat, it is possible for someone to be saved in these religions, but they are saved by the Church, and so the formulation is true: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.  This must be preached.”
 
 Bishop Bernard Fellay, Conference in Denver, Co., Feb. 18, 2006: “We know that there are two other baptisms, that of desire and that of blood. These produce an invisible but real link with Christ but do not produce all of the effects which are received in the baptism of water… And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet
It would be good if Xavier ould simply answer the question posed by how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.” (The Angelus, “A Talk Heard Round the World,” April, 2006, p. 5.)

It would be good if Xaviersem would simply answer the questions posed above.   There is no shame is saying what you believe.


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Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2021, 07:50:12 PM »
I believe I've been disabled from making posts, so I'm gonna hijack this thread too (admittedly for a far less important purpose than 2Vermont's) to ask a question: who are some saints who can help you get out of despondency?

St. Jean Vianney and Padre Pio both being mentioned in this thread reminded me of this, since they're both priests who were joyful and light, as well as profoundly lovable men who gave simple advice and who have helped millions. Plus, I figure it's more pleasant than another BoD thread where certain pro-BoDers passive aggressively attack everyone else. :P

God Bless you all! And 2Vermont, your mother will be in my prayers too!
St. Ephraem

    O Lord and Master of my life, take from me a spirit of despondency, sloth, love of money, and idle talk.

    But give to me, your servant, a spirit of sober-mindedness, humility, patience, and love.

    Yes, O Lord and King, grant me to see my own sins and not to judge my brother, since you are blessed       to the ages. Amen.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05498a.htm

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Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2021, 08:08:39 PM »
It would be good if Xaviersem would simply answer the questions posed above.   There is no shame is saying what you believe.

I would actually gain a modicuм of respect for him were he to say that he disagrees with +Lefebvre and +Fellay on this point.  I respect Bishop Williamson greatly, as I do +Lefebvre, but they are not gods and I disagree with them on some things.  Perhaps the Archbishop would have been better served had he not been surrounded by butt-kissing sycophants during the last decades of his life.  “Your Grace, I respect you but on this point I think you’re gravely mistaken.  Here’s why ...”. To this day we have people upholding +Lefebvre as some rule of faith ... while ironically rejecting what they consider to be the Magisterium ... and fighting over who can claim him as their own.  Out of charity toward him, we can help offset the damage he did with this terrible quote by calling it out as error.

Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2021, 08:47:00 PM »
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It would be good if Xaviersem would simply answer the questions posed above.   There is no shame is saying what you believe.

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Ladislaus...
I would actually gain a modicuм of respect for him were he to say that he disagrees with +Lefebvre and +Fellay on this point...

Well Xaviersem?