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Author Topic: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!  (Read 4394 times)

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Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2021, 03:26:09 PM »
You also lie in claiming that St. John Vianney "taught" anything.

Allegedly he simply told someone Fr. that he would receive a letter that would console him.

Allegedly this letter was written by some unknown alleged mystic.

Nowhere did St. John Vianney endorse its contents, if it even existed, but merely said that Fr. would be "consoled" by it ... which he was (allegedly).

This proves something?

As with any popular saint, thousands of apocryphal sayings are alleged of them, most of which are completely made up.  There are many such attributed to Padre Pio that have been debunked as false.

In most of these Saintly BOD/BOB anecdotal stories, it seems some critical details are left out ?  

The stories are presented to make the BOD/BOB points but, there always seems to be unanswered questions surrounding the events.

Rosalie Cohen received the miraculous grace of the Faith.
She acknowledges Our Lord, then kneels down at His feet and dies.

But if she did receive the grace of the Faith, it would seem her first emotions should be sorrow for her sins and an immєdιαte desire for Baptism?

Not just, “Oh, I get it now!”

In fact, if we are to believe this story, Rosalie needed to make that her dying words... “Baptism Oh Lord!”

Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2021, 03:50:52 PM »
Selfish interjection here:  While we're on the topic, can you all say a prayer for my mother's conversion, that she ask for baptism (probably from me) before her death?  Although she's still doing okay, she is 88 years old now.


Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2021, 03:55:16 PM »
In most of these Saintly BOD/BOB anecdotal stories, it seems some critical details are left out ?  

The stories are presented to make the BOD/BOB points but, there always seems to be unanswered questions surrounding the events.

Rosalie Cohen received the miraculous grace of the Faith.
She acknowledges Our Lord, then kneels down at His feet and dies.

But if she did receive the grace of the Faith, it would seem her first emotions should be sorrow for her sins and an immєdιαte desire for Baptism?

Not just, “Oh, I get it now!”

In fact, if we are to believe this story, Rosalie needed to make that her dying words... “Baptism Oh Lord!”
Yes, something is off here.  Father would have specifically asked God for his mother to be baptized.

Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2021, 04:01:26 PM »
I didn't read everything in this thread.  However, no multiplication of non-Magisterial sources for BOD can overturn the infallible papal pronouncements which establish the necessity of the Sacrament of Baptism for salvation.  We are bound to give our assent to the literal meaning of dogmas.  Affirming the opposite meaning is forbidden.  If there are theologians or holy men and women or even a pope teaching privately (e.g. in a private letter to a specific person), these sources cannot be evidence against the literal meaning of an ex cathedra teaching.

Re: St. John Vianney: Fr. Herman Cohen's Mother was Saved by Baptism of Desire!
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2021, 04:04:31 PM »
Selfish interjection here:  While we're on the topic, can you all say a prayer for my mother's conversion, that she ask for baptism (probably from me) before her death?  Although she's still doing okay, she is 88 years old now.
:pray: