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Offline RandomFish

Re: St. Augustine's view on the "punishment" of infants who die without baptism
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2023, 01:40:59 PM »
Saint Augustine’s view on the divine consignment of unbaptized infants to the positive sufferings of the damned in hell, contra S. Aquinas, and in addition to the lack of the Beatific Vision, is found in the following resources:

De pecc. mer. 1.16.21 (CSEL 60, 20f.) ; Sermo 294.3, Patrologia cursus completa, series latina (PL), J.P. MIGNE (ed.), 38, 1337; Contra Iulianum 5.11.44 (PL 44, 809).

For your convenience:

https://archive.org/details/sanctiaureliiau05augugoog/page/n659/mode/1up

Also see attachment.

I don’t have time to translate myself, but you can do so at your convenience using Google Translate. It’s enough to be intelligible.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: St. Augustine's view on the "punishment" of infants who die without baptism
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2023, 01:49:34 PM »
Quote from: RandomFish on September 11, 2023, 01:40:59 PM
Saint Augustine’s view on the divine consignment of unbaptized infants to the positive sufferings of the damned in hell, contra S. Aquinas, and in addition to the lack of the Beatific Vision, is found in the following resources:

De pecc. mer. 1.16.21 (CSEL 60, 20f.) ; Sermo 294.3, Patrologia cursus completa, series latina (PL), J.P. MIGNE (ed.), 38, 1337; Contra Iulianum 5.11.44 (PL 44, 809).

For your convenience:

https://archive.org/details/sanctiaureliiau05augugoog/page/n659/mode/1up

Also see attachment.

I don’t have time to translate myself, but you can do so at your convenience using Google Translate. It’s enough to be intelligible.

Thank you.  There you have it, DR.  St. Augustine clearly states that there are only two places in eternity, the Kingdom of Heaven and "eternal fire", and that infants who die without Baptism go into the eternal fire.
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: St. Augustine's view on the "punishment" of infants who die without baptism
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2023, 01:51:35 PM »
Quote from: RandomFish on September 11, 2023, 01:40:59 PM
Saint Augustine’s view on the divine consignment of unbaptized infants to the positive sufferings of the damned in hell, contra S. Aquinas, and in addition to the lack of the Beatific Vision, is found in the following resources:

De pecc. mer. 1.16.21 (CSEL 60, 20f.) ; Sermo 294.3, Patrologia cursus completa, series latina (PL), J.P. MIGNE (ed.), 38, 1337; Contra Iulianum 5.11.44 (PL 44, 809).

For your convenience:

https://archive.org/details/sanctiaureliiau05augugoog/page/n659/mode/1up

Also see attachment.

I don’t have time to translate myself, but you can do so at your convenience using Google Translate. It’s enough to be intelligible.
Welcome! Thank you for the quote. Seems to settle the matter.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: St. Augustine's view on the "punishment" of infants who die without baptism
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2023, 01:52:48 PM »
Quote from: RandomFish on September 11, 2023, 01:40:59 PM
Saint Augustine’s view on the divine consignment of unbaptized infants to the positive sufferings of the damned in hell, contra S. Aquinas, and in addition to the lack of the Beatific Vision, is found in the following resources:

De pecc. mer. 1.16.21 (CSEL 60, 20f.) ; Sermo 294.3, Patrologia cursus completa, series latina (PL), J.P. MIGNE (ed.), 38, 1337; Contra Iulianum 5.11.44 (PL 44, 809).

For your convenience:

https://archive.org/details/sanctiaureliiau05augugoog/page/n659/mode/1up

Also see attachment.

I don’t have time to translate myself, but you can do so at your convenience using Google Translate. It’s enough to be intelligible.

Ok. That will take some work to get a translation, but thanks. 
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: St. Augustine's view on the "punishment" of infants who die without baptism
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2023, 01:55:26 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 11, 2023, 01:49:34 PM
Thank you.  There you have it, DR.  St. Augustine clearly states that there are only two places in eternity, the Kingdom of Heaven and "eternal fire", and that infants who die without Baptism go into the eternal fire.
Not only that, but he says this Certe habere ?non? vitam aeternam, qui non baptizatur?

It's unfortunate that a few letters from the beginning of each row is missing. What word could be inferred besides non?

I assume he would have said non habere instad of habere non so I think it is something else.

It seems as if you can barely see a footnote at the beginning of the row. And the footnote says non potest so the general sense is clear.

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