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« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2013, 08:14:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: gooch


    we know The Soul of the Church is the Holy Ghost.  It is not an invisible
    extension of the mystical body which includes the unbaptized.
     
    Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, June 29, 1943:  “... Leo XIII, of immortal memory
    in the Encyclical, “Divinum illud,” [expressed it] in these words: ‘Let it suffice to
    state this, that, as Christ is the Head of the Church, the Holy Spirit is her
    soul.’”464


    we know the Church is essentially (i.e., in its essence) a Mystical Body.  
     
    Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516: “... the mystical
    body, the Church (corpore mystico)...”465

    Pope St. Pius X, Editae saepe (# 8), May 26, 1910: “... the Church, the Mystical
    Body of Christ...”466
     
    Pope Leo XII, Quod Hoc Ineunte (# 1), May 24, 1824: “... His mystical Body.”467


    Therefore, to teach that one can be saved without belonging to the Body is to teach
    that one can be saved without belonging to the Church, since the Church is a Body.
     
    Can one can be saved by belonging to the Soul of the Church, while not belonging to her Body? I don't see how anyone who knows these facts can answer yes,


    Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 3), June 29, 1896: “For this reason the Church is
    so often called in Holy Writ a body, and even the body of Christ... From this it
    follows that those who arbitrarily conjure up and picture to themselves a hidden
    and invisible Church are in grievous and pernicious error... It is assuredly
    impossible that the Church of Jesus Christ can be the one or the other, as that
    man should be a body alone or a soul alone.  The connection and union of
    both elements is as absolutely necessary to the true Church as the intimate
    union of the soul and body is to human nature.  The Church is not something
    dead: it is the body of Christ endowed with supernatural life.”


    Had Pius XII not made those infallible quotes, all the BODers would still be teaching the "soul of the Church" theory, including Fenton. Look it up here on CI and see how many BODers still teach the soul of the Church theory. The majority of BODers still have not heard the news of Pius XII or do not want to accept it.

    Look up how many times they quote the Catechism of Pius X quote as if it were infallible:

    The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X, The Apostles’ Creed, “The Church in Particular,”
    Q. 29: “Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he
    be saved? A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is
    in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of
    Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God’s will as
    best as he can, such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but
    is united to the soul of the Church
    and consequently is on the way of
    salvation.”

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    « Reply #61 on: November 04, 2013, 06:25:37 AM »
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  • "Thus they insisted upon defining the Church as the society of those who actually have the divine faith, rather than as the congregation of those who profess that faith. [If an occult heretic Pope professes the faith, or at least does not deny it, then no harm is done to the flock or the visible unity of the Church - J.G.] A good number of early school theologians used that type of definitional.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church