Author Topic: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction (Read 649 times)

Marcellinus · « **Reply #35 on:** **Today** at 12:06:38 PM »

Quote from: Marcellinus on Yesterday at 09:40:40 PM

You said that this has "broken up families, marriages, caused clerics to withhold sacraments from the laity, and also people have gotten kicked out of seminaries."

Have you personally suffered a broken family, marriage, had sacraments withheld, or been kicked out of seminary?

@PaxVobis - I'm still interested in this question?

Stubborn · « **Reply #36 on:** **Today** at 12:13:04 PM »

Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 07:35:32 AM

Yes.

I have noticed that you refuse to answer my questions, whereas on the other hand I answer yours without hesitation.

I am the Light, you are the darkness. I am honest and open about my ideas, you hide like a coward.

It is obvious who is from God and who is from Satan.

You are a liar, as is proven repeatedly in your posts.

Lazarus · « **Reply #37 on:** **Today** at 12:26:28 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 11:46:23 AM

You're just changing the subject. Fr Feeney was.not.excommunicated.for.what.he.said.or.wrote. Period. Fact. There's no debate on this issue.

To be frank, I mentioned the subject in passing and this isn't a central claim. I do not know how to differentiate the calumnies on Fr Feeney from the truth, I will stay neutral on the subject for now and put it in the list of things I need to study.

The only thing I know with absolute certainty and there is no debate at all on the question is that his position is false, according to people far more qualified than he was.

Lazarus · « **Reply #38 on:** **Today** at 12:36:25 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 11:46:23 AM

You're just changing the subject. Fr Feeney was.not.excommunicated.for.what.he.said.or.wrote. Period. Fact. There's no debate on this issue.

That doesn't mean he was right. Doesn't mean you have to agree with him. But quit acting like the excommunication makes any difference to the BOD debate. It doesn't.

St Augustine -- talked about BOD but then, in his final book, "Refutations", condemned BOD.
St Thomas -- talked about BOD for catechumens only. Personal opinion.
St Alphonsus -- similar to St Thomas, except his views are STILL opinion because he mentions details (i.e. perfect act of love) which aren't in Trent.
St Pius X -- his catechism isn't infallible. No catechism is.
Pius XII -- he says that God will reward implicit faith with graces of conversion. In other words, implicit faith is.not.the.end.goal.and.doesn't.save.
Also, Pius XII's encyclical isn't a dogmatic teaching.

I am still waiting for you to search the word "aut" in a latin dictionary and tell me what you find.

You are so prideful you think someone with two doctorates and fluent latin knows less than you do about Trent. This is absolutely pathetic and ridiculous, you have forgotten your place in society, and it is a very small place far below that of St Alphonsus.

Stubborn · « **Reply #39 on:** **Today** at 12:42:55 PM »

Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 12:26:28 PM

To be frank, I mentioned the subject in passing and this isn't a central claim. I do not know how to differentiate the calumnies on Fr Feeney from the truth, I will stay neutral on the subject for now and put it in the list of things I need to study.

The only thing I know with absolute certainty and there is no debate at all on the question is that his position is false, according to people far more qualified than he was.

Attached is a book on the subject worth reading. The first two paragraphs of the Introduction sums up the whole episode imo.

CathInfo.com

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