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Author Topic: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction  (Read 546 times)

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Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #30 on: Today at 09:06:50 AM »
He wasn't excommunicated for his views.  He wasn't a heretic.  So the excommunication has nothing to do with his books or ideas. 
What are you even talking about? 

The very reason Fr Feeney disobeyed valid authorities is because of his views, which are false and heretical. 

St Augustine taught BOD. Saint Thomas taught BOD. Saint Alphonsus taught BOD. Saint Pius X taught BOD. Pius XII taught BOD. Do you think all of those people are heretics but Feeney is not?


Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #31 on: Today at 09:09:04 AM »
When did excommunications become irrelevant , exactly?

Bp Lefebvre was excommunicated by a non-Pope. So, that excommunication is worthless and no one needs to care about it.

Fr Feeney was excommunicated by Pie XII, who is a valid Pope. That excommunication is valid.
Uncanonical decrees of excommunication are null and void :popcorn:


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Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #32 on: Today at 09:42:01 AM »
What are you even talking about?

The very reason Fr Feeney disobeyed valid authorities is because of his views, which are false and heretical.
You have no idea what you are talking about.  It's a repeating pattern.  Grow up, go learn, study, and come back here with some humility.

Fr Feeney was summoned to Rome for a disciplinary hearing.  Under canon law, he is allowed to ask "why" and get a canon lawyer.  That's basic law. 
The lawyer in charge of the case for rome (i.e. the prosecutor) would not give Fr Feeney an answer.  So Fr Feeney ignored the request and then was excommunicated.
If Fr Feeney's charges were legit, he would've been told "why" and then had a lawyer to explain his side of the story.  But rome ignored canon law, which is illegal, so Fr Feeney ignored their summons.

Imagine if a cop pulls you over and starts asking you questions about your work, your house, etc.  You tell him "I plead the 5th, I want a lawyer and I'm not talking."  But the cop arrests you because you're "not cooperating".  Well, under the constitution, you don't have to "cooperate".  You have the right to remain silent.  The cop's charge is bogus, and his arrest of you is false.  But the news headlines would say that you're a criminal and were arrested.  Is that fair to you?  Is that the truth?  No.

The whole excommunication thing is a nothingburger.  It was based on "disobedience" to a sham court.  Had nothing to do with his books.

Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #33 on: Today at 11:31:24 AM »
You have no idea what you are talking about.  It's a repeating pattern.  Grow up, go learn, study, and come back here with some humility.

The "humility" to dismiss the teachings of St Augustine, St Thomas, St Alphonsus, St Pius X, and Pius XII? 

You guys are not much different from TKG. You believe in some nonsense that anyone with basic knowledge of latin knows is wrong. 

You have not explained why Trent council's use "aut" instead of "et". You ignored my arguments. 

That reminds me of protestants using their corrupted Jєωιѕн translations of the Bible to justify their "teachings". 



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Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #34 on: Today at 11:46:23 AM »
The "humility" to dismiss the teachings of St Augustine, St Thomas, St Alphonsus, St Pius X, and Pius XII?

You guys are not much different from TKG. You believe in some nonsense that anyone with basic knowledge of latin knows is wrong.

You have not explained why Trent council's use "aut" instead of "et". You ignored my arguments.

That reminds me of protestants using their corrupted Jєωιѕн translations of the Bible to justify their "teachings".
You're just changing the subject.  Fr Feeney was.not.excommunicated.for.what.he.said.or.wrote.  Period.  Fact.  There's no debate on this issue.

That doesn't mean he was right.  Doesn't mean you have to agree with him.  But quit acting like the excommunication makes any difference to the BOD debate.  It doesn't.

St Augustine -- talked about BOD but then, in his final book, "Refutations", condemned BOD.
St Thomas -- talked about BOD for catechumens only.  Personal opinion.
St Alphonsus -- similar to St Thomas, except his views are STILL opinion because he mentions details (i.e. perfect act of love) which aren't in Trent.
St Pius X -- his catechism isn't infallible.  No catechism is.
Pius XII -- he says that God will reward implicit faith with graces of conversion.  In other words, implicit faith is.not.the.end.goal.and.doesn't.save.
Also, Pius XII's encyclical isn't a dogmatic teaching.